In Case You Don't Like Romney... A Challenge To Every FReeper

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[MindBender26]

In Case You Don't Like Romney...

Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question regarding the upcoming presidential election …

“If Romney wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who may have hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in mind:

1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78

2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year

3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August

4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago and has had cancer twice.

Whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.

If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you’re smokin’ something funky….”

So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didn’t get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win ... just imagine this possibility:

'SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER'

Did that get your attention!

[Norm Lenhart]

Thank you. But I would hope it would be self evident to everyone posting on a conservative website. Unfortunately, as we see on this thread, ‘conservative’ is ‘liberally’ interpreted by way too many people.

They just hate being called what their actions show them to be.

[CharacterCounts]

So you say 105.

I never said any such number. I don't keep track of how many are for Romney either, since both are completely irrelevant!

[GOPJ]

Has Romney talked about what’s important to him in a Supreme Court justice? I’d like to know ...

[Norm Lenhart]

Here’s what I said

“It’s not complicated. Your ethics come with a caveat. You are willing to set them aside if the price is right.”

Regardless of your scare scenarios, can you explain how a conservative can claim to be a conservative and hold conservative values while voting for a man whose record is 100% liberal? Because the first person who presents a logical argument that a conservative can vote liberal without abandoning his beliefs will get a bunch of us to vote Romney with a clean conscience.

That however is an impossibility since empowering liberals is the exact opposite of what conservatism is about. Or have you too redefined conservatism to ease your conscience?

[Springfield Reformer]

Agreed. If I’m in court and I hear a loaded question like that, I’m objecting and I’m winning the objection. It gives dictatorial control to the interrogator, which is not conducive to genuine exploration of an issue.

Now, on the other hand, I had law school professors who loved to “slice the baloney” using exactly that kind of tightly controlled hypothetical. An in the classromm of course they really were the dictator, so what can a poor 1L do? And if, in law school, I had been presented with such a question, I might have answered, “pray, then flip a coin,” because on either island my children would likely be lost to the same kingdom of darkness, unless God should grant a miracle.

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And bramps, as for Reagan (and I know you’re hearing this from others, but I thought I would reiterate it for effect), you know he felt duped by his lawyers, right? He didn’t see the “health of the mother” loophole. He was never for abortion on demand:

http://www.lifenews.com/2008/03/11/nat-3790/

So to equate him with Romney on that issue is flat out misleading. There’s another word for that, but I will assume you had no intent to intentionally mislead.

BTW, Romney’s alleged conversion to prolife was in November, 2004, right?

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2876445/posts

But here’s the interesting thing. I was working as a legal intern for Liberty Counsel after than alleged conversion, and we were having people from MA begging us to get involved in supporting their conscientious objection against the Romney administration’s pro-abortion policies. He was still running roughshod over these people AFTER his “conversion,” still picking proabort judicial nominees, and even to this day will not sign on to the Susan B Anthony commitments to keep proaborts out of his presidential administration.

So Romney versus Reagan? Not even in the same solar system, let alone the same ball park.

[Norm Lenhart]

Well that puts me one up on you for ‘sensible things said on this thread now dosen’t it? I know. You cant as usual address any of my points because they prove your ‘logid’ to be utterly unsound. Oh well.

[Norm Lenhart]

You are openly pointing your conservatism is situational. Boy I’d sure be proud.

[MHGinTN]

I see you want to mischaracterize what I wrote, or did you just misunderstand? In praying to turn Romney (or Obama if you think it possible based upon the personal habits of the drug addled sexual degenerate) I am in no way praying to get God to ‘grant me my wishes’. You have tried to pose what I wrote as if some child were praying for a pny. So, no sale.

[MHGinTN]

I see you want to mischaracterize what I wrote, or did you just misunderstand? In praying to turn Romney (or Obama if you think it possible based upon the personal habits of the drug addled sexual degenerate) I am in no way praying to get God to ‘grant me my wishes’. You have tried to pose what I wrote as if some child were praying for a pony. So, no sale.

[so_real]

I call them "NBRs" -- for Nobody But Romney. If they were truly "ABOs", they'd use their conservative creds to get behind a conservative candidate and urge others to do the same.

Needed to be said again, and loudly.

[Resettozero]

Okay then.

[Norm Lenhart]

Notice that not a single ‘conservative’ will explain how voting lib is possible without abandoning their supposed beliefs? They ignore the question, claim the end of the world as we know it and dance like Madonna’s stage group. But not a single one of them will take a public stand as to how it’s possible.

Tells me all I need to know about them.

[MHGinTN]

Caveat? ;^) ... At what amount of comrpomise do you draw the line? If a candidate is not 100% conservative in your sight, at what point of not consewrvative do you draw the line? McCain may have seemed conservative enough to you, but he was not and never will be 100% conservative and he was in the habit of 'reaching across the aisle' to embrace the very non-conservative democrats. At what level of his compromising with the democraps did you draw the line? And di you vote for him because he put Sarah Palin on the ticket? I did. But I also could not vote for a lying slug like Obama was being exposed to be by the time Novemeber rolled around, so I compromised and voted for McCain/Palin. Was I incurring God's aprobation by compromising then, and at what level of compromising would I not be?

[altura]

Your post doesn’t make sense.

Post something that makes sense and I will respond.

[Norm Lenhart]

How about a candidate that believes in the same things I do? Like abortion is evil, Marriage is between a man and woman, you know, really radical whacky right wing kinda stuff like that.

Or one whose own people don’t call an etcha sketch.

How about one that hasn’t taken both sides of every issue? Or one that isn’t hell-bent on demonizing the very people who are right now on this thread kissing his tail.

I can think of any number of candidates. And I’ll vote for one of them. So why can’t you?

[MHGinTN]

Did you vote for McCain/Palin? ... If you did, did you compromise your values, as in set them aside? No, your firm defense of those values now shows that you did not compromise your values, you just voted in a way that emphasized some of your values without compromising the others. I will readily admit there are scant few values Milt Rominy holds which coincide with my values. But I can find absolutely no values little barry bastard commie exhibits which coincide with my values.

[Norm Lenhart]

Oh look! it’s Ducky! Hi ducky!

Seems most here understand it just fine. Try another avoidance tactic. Or does credibility not matter to you? Then again you openly advocate for a man with none so I shouldn’t be surprised.

[so_real]

These are just a couple of things that actually happened under Obama. Don’t even try to tell me that Romney is worse.

Worse? No. It'll be just more of the same. The "worse" part comes in when the Republican party is viewed as the party of responsibility for travesties to come, like the ones you mentioned, while under Romney's watch. The conservative credibility of the party is damaged, the brand is compromised, we lose ground in Congress, and we (once again) hand the POTUS back to the liberals with a Congress stacked in their favor for another perfect storm in 2016 or 2020. Some of us see the big picture. Some of us don't. We all may be on the same side, but some of us haven't figured out how to avoid repeating history yet. Some of us have and are trying desperately to educate the rest. And the sad part is, the solution is so very simple : cast your vote based solely on good old fashioned conservative Christian principle. If everyone would only follow such simple advice, we would have this country turned around before 2020 instead of condemning it to a further fall in 2020.

[Norm Lenhart]

Yes I did. And that’s when I finially learned my lesson about compromise. I voted for Palin, not McCain. And I was wrong to do so. Had she run this time, I’d likely have voted for her. Certainly in fact.

But two wrongs do not make a right. Or do you believe otherwise?

[MHGinTN]

I cannot cast my vote in a way that I am convinced will give little barry bastard commie four more years to destroy this Republic. I witnessed first hand the effect Ross Perot had on America. GHW BUsh was not a perfect conservative candidate, but he was a darnsight better than the sexual degenerate sales to the chicoms for campaign funds clinton. That may seem fatalistic to you, or you may wish to characterize that as ‘fear so great as to make me a puppy rolled on his back piddling in fear-, as the great and wise Finny has insulted us, but it is my rationale and I’m sticking to it so long as Milt is the opposition to Barry.