"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for LIFE, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?" -- George Washington
Posted on 06/08/2012 1:21:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
ROSEMONT, Ill.—Rick Santorum and Ron Paul have never gotten along, and while the primaries are effectively over, their intraparty rivalry could stretch on through the summer.
With 267 delegates pledged to him so far, Santorum is planning to flex his muscle at the Republican National Convention in August, where he predicted Friday there could be a showdown over the party platform between the social conservative delegates who pledged support for him and Ron Paul's libertarian supporters. Paul's campaign predicts that about 200 delegates will attend the convention on his behalf.
Both want a piece of the party platform, but the candidates agree on very little politically. Speaking to reporters here Friday at a conservative conference, Santorum said his supporters are ready for a "fight" in Tampa.
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No legitimate power to accomplish what the founders said was the reason governments exist? That doesn't make sense.
"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."
The 14th Amendment was ratified over 140 years ago. If that amendment was understood and intended to outlaw the practice of abortion and the power to enforce that prohibition given to the national government by the States, it would have been outlawed then, and enforcement procedures established.
Of course it doesn't make sense. You've left out the qualification of it being a power granted to the national government, and then tried to make it appear I'm arguing that NO government has the authority.
Are they paying you to help destroy the idea that we are a republic, and that the state governments can exercise their authority, or did you decide you just don't like the idea of a republic?
"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for LIFE, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?" -- George Washington
The primary purpose of a federal office cannot exceed the enumerated powers of the federal government.
In fact, the oath-taker is obligated to refrain from trying to exercise any power not transferred to the federal government by the States.
There is no American constitutional republic if our rights are subject to the arbitrary whims of men, instead of what the founders said they are: God-given.
You’re missing the forest for the trees.
Powers enumerated to the President:
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America...Article II, Section. 1.
That is the Power to execute the laws, the Constitution being the supreme law of the land.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States...Article II, Section. 2.
What are the armed forces of the United States for, primarily? To defend the lives of the people. Aren't they?
In fact, the oath-taker is obligated to refrain from trying to exercise any power not transferred to the federal government by the States.
1. The legitimate powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States to the general government are powers granted by the people, not by the States. That's why it starts off "We the People of the United States, in Order to..."
2. Neither the States nor the People could ever legitimately grant the authority to alienate the God-given, unalienable rights of the people. You can't give what you do not possess.
3. No written constitution or man-made law could ever legitimately relieve the body of the people as a whole from the sacred obligation to protect the lives of the helpless and the innocent.
I repeat, the primary reason for the existence of the office of the President of the United States is the protection of the God-given, unalienable rights of the people. All of them. Equally.
You appear to be proposing that the President of the United Stated use the US military against the general populace to enforce a ban on abortion, at gunpoint.
1. The legitimate powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States to the general government are powers granted by the people, not by the States. That's why it starts off "We the People of the United States, in Order to..."
Amendments are ratified by the State lagislatures, not by a general referendum. The federal government is, and always has been a product the States. The States created the federal government, and only the States can ratify an amendment. Furethermore, the President is elected by the States, through the Electoral College.
The liberals have been trying to destroy the republic by changing that, making office of the President, and ultimately the process of amendment subject to a vote of the general populace and leaving the States with no power at all.
If you understand the consequences of what it is you're trying to help them do and still want to do it, you are a traitor to the republic.
Wrong. I am proposing that, finally, all officers of government in this country do their primary duty, which is to provide equal protection for the God-given, unalienable rights of the people.
There would be absolutely no need for the military if the civilian authorities would simply do their job.
However, if civilian authorities will not fulfill the most important requirement of our constitutions, that the people’s lives be protected, they are insurrectionists and rebels to the Constitution, which brings the provisions of Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment into play.
So many of you berate Ron Paul like it's hate week in Orwell's novel 1984. And that's what they want. They want you to hate. Because it makes you weaker, and it makes them stronger. I can promise you the republicans and the democrats who spend the majority of their time flooding the media with hate is not your friend.
The republicans at the top don't want the republicans at the bottom to discover the truth in what Ron Paul has to say, because, at that moment, the communism which has been growing since the great depression will finally be stripped from the darkness it dwells in and thrown into the light. The tyrants will be revealed on top of their financial pyramids where they hide in secrecy, watching our moves and pulling our strings while most of us don't even realize we slave away everyday to put the power of the many into the hands of the few.
Everything is nationalized. All of our money goes up and up until the government, the corporation heads, and wall street possess the majority of currency. Not because they need the money but because our poverty ensures their power over us. These are people who ally with the mafia to protect themselves from them and us and support foreign trade to fatten their wallets and leave us with the change (I Suppose that's what Obama meant when he offered it to us).
We are a communist country. There is no in between. Just as Franklin would say, we have traded our liberties for securities by giving the government more power because it falsely promises change, but we deserve and will attain neither. Just as Washington would say, we have given our souls to political parties and now we will face our inevitable failure. And just as Paine said, “These are the times that try men's souls”.
Our government has been corrupted and Ron Paul is the only one trying to change it. Meanwhile, the republican party is doing nothing but joining the democratic party in trying to destroy him through hate and lies.
It's funny - in this country, it seems everything people are for, they are against, and everything they are against, they are for.
Do you have anything to back that up? Dr. Paul has personally delivered thousands of babies.
Nice speech, but you're begging the question of "personhood".
Are you going to let them vote on that or not?
Let them vote on what?
The only vote that might be appropriate in this case would be a constitutional amendment, one that would negate the Declaration of Independence, all the stated purposes of the Constitution, and repeals the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.
Which, of course, would be the end of the republic.
Paul voted against life regarding sex selection abortions being made illegal.
He also against life by voting against making it crime to transport minors over state lines with out their parents permission.
He also voted against life by voting in favor of the post rape abortion pill.
He has only a 53% rating from NRLC(2012).
It really doesn’t matter how many babies he has delivered in the past, his voting record not his words show where he really stands on the issue of life.
Do you want that?
Exactly.
I voted for Paul in the primary because I am and have been registered as a Republican all of my voting life - nearly 50 years and it would not make a difference in my tiny little State in a very late primary.
Having said that, I think that the party system needs to go. This is not a party. A party is supposed to be a fun thing - a social event.
This has turned into something else. It is now gang warfare - the DemoCrips vs. the RepubliBloods. Even the colors are the same.
The American people voting with the major parties in the next election will have a choice between an avowed Socialist who may or may not meet the primary Constitutional test of being able to hold the office; or a liberal Republican opponent who believes in magic underwear.
I'm voting for Gary Johnson in the general election. Arrange for me to be banned for that if you wish, but that is the way the mop is going to flop when I go to the voting booth.
My vote will not make a difference, because Obama does not stand a chance. It may make a difference in keeping the Libertarian party in play in future elections.
All I want is for every officer of government in this country, at every level, in every branch, to do their sworn duty.
That's not an unreasonable expectation.
“Arrange for me to be banned for that if you wish”
I respect your right to vote for the person you want, and would never try to arrange your ban!
And to dictate what it is.
What will you do if the military follows the Constitution and refuses an order to engage civilians? Who's going to fight your war for you?
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