The entire south tried to secede bringing about the Civil War. If it wasn’t allowed then, why would it be allowable now? Contrary to popular belief the Civil War wasn’t about the slavery issue, it was because the Confederate states didn’t want to be part of the Union. Am I wrong?
Secession is in the American bloodstream. Your ancestors separated themselves from (perceived or actual) unjust or unfree countries so that they could be free. There is no sense in which the American people ‘are not allowed to secede’.
In fact: if the Constitution is no longer being honored in the US, you don’t really have a choice.
Well, theoretically the South had the right to secede. Nothing in the constitution said they couldn’t. They probably wouldn’t have signed up, if they thought they would not be allowed to change their mind.
However, governments don’t take kindly to challenges to their authority, so splitting up often means war, and Mr. Lincoln’s Administration was no exception.
It really wouldn’t bother me if the blue states seceded, as long as they take their share of the debt with them. Then the red states can get back to honoring and restoring the system to what it should be.
“If it wasn’t allowed then, why would it be allowable now?”
Allowed by whom? Whom does the Constitution give authority to over whether states are allowed to secede?
Their Declarations of Secession state clearly slavery was the reason. They didn't want to be part of the Union because the Union was getting rid of slavery.
Not that I'm an advocate of secession (yet), but if a state wants to secede they better not do so in the name of the attempted slavocracy of 1861. Rather a state should want independence for noble causes such as there were when we declared independence from Britain.
"Allowed" had nothing to do with it then, nor would it now. It was a matter of tactics and numbers. This time the numbers might be in favor of seccession. After all, the North can't use the slave card this time. Furthermore all states, North and South, are now feeling the bite of tyranny.
It a whole new situation this day and age.
The civil war came about because the nation elected a president from the Abolition Party, the upstart Republican Party, over repeated warnings from the southern states of ‘over our dead bodies.’ They realized that if the North had sufficient electoral power to elect a radical Republican as president, then the South was doomed one way or another, sooner or later. The slavery issue was the one that had divided the nation into two camps that couldn’t stand the sight of each other though. It was what motivated people to be willing to go and fight - although it wasn’t a settled matter in the North either, by any means.
Ah yes, my point - that was then and this is now. It’s not a foregone conclusion that the ferals will take up arms against any that try to get out. They might find that the whole military defects too. You can’t know. Everybody is so wussified these days.