Posted on 06/04/2012 2:40:56 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Zimmerman's defense team will file a motion today for a second bond hearing. While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court, the defense will emphasize that in all other regards, Mr. Zimmerman has been forthright and cooperative. He gave several voluntary statements to the police, re-enacted the events for them, gave voice exemplars for comparison and stayed in ongoing contact with the Department of Law Enforcement during his initial stage of being in hiding. He has twice surrendered himself to law enforcement when asked to do so, and this should demonstrate that Mr. Zimmerman is not a flight risk. He has also complied with all conditions of his release, including curfew, keeping in touch with his supervising officers, and maintaining his GPS monitoring, without violation.
The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust, and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been distinctly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair.
At the point of the bond hearing, Mr. Zimmerman had been driven from his home and neighborhood, could not go to work, his wife could not go back to a finish her nursing degree, his mother and father had been driven from their home, and he had been thrust into the national spotlight as a racist murderer by factions acting with their own agendas. None of those allegations have been supported by the discovery released to date, yet the hatred continues.
It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.
Of the original $204,000 raised by Mr. Zimmerman's fund, approximately $150,000 was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund. $30,000 was used to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, FL to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case. The balance of approximately $20,000 was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds.
Since the independently managed Legal Defense Fund was established on May 3, supporters have contributed more than $37,000. Of this amount, $2,000 has been designated for household expenses. Less than $300 has been designated for fund management and fees associated with maintaining the conditions of the bond. None of the funds have yet to be allocated to legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman or the defense team has direct access to the independently managed Legal Defense Fund.
The judge did not accept the persecution’s argument regarding the passport, as the defense attorney was in possession thereof. The judge’s ruling was based on the money, and that should be taken care of in the next bond hearing, if there is any justice.
Zim is not a flight risk.
Yes, one might believe that, given the stated purpose of having bond in the first place. If, however, the actual purpose of this bond is to punish the accused, that changes things a bit.
Yes, as I said there was absolute proof that Tom did not commit the assualt and rape and was none the less convicted and subsequently killed. Sorry, but Tom was a nobel character with no history of violence, trusting the system and his lawyer. Sorry, I just can not see the similarities. I just do not see this as being as clear cut as you do. When I think of Tom, I think of a hard working black man in the south, trying to keep a low profile and take care of his family. He never did anything that one could argue led to his arrest and death. You can not say the same about Zimmerman. Where you see a hero, I see a wannabe cop with a gun. I do not and never will see Tom Robinson in Zimmerman.
What have you read? Ignorance can be just as blinding as racism.
If you can’t argue with the facts, you call names. Sound familiar? I didn’t start anything, I objected to Zimmerman being labeled a hero. He’s not.
Now you're escalating the fight you started in the first place.
-- I objected to Zimmerman being labeled a hero. --
You even admit you started it. You had no need to make that remark, yet you made it. You started this.
My remarks to you are no more unfair than yours toward Zimmerman.
“...just seems like something I would remember.”
Remember that Zimmerman had recently had his head slammed into concrete and his nose smashed in, then immersed in a politically-motivated storm that threatens to leave him dead, in jail for life, or at best, ruined, hated, and hunted. A wise attorney might mention to the court that Zimmerman’s judgement was clouded by the head injuries received when TM attacked him. Wonder if the defense had MRIs/PET Scans done for potential use at the trial.
You assigned him as the cause, as though some part or parts of his action wasn't justified.
"a wanna be cop who caused a tragedy," that's your label for Zimmerman.
And, as you blame Zimmerman for events going awry on February 26th, I'm blaming you for the fact that you and I won't be getting along well. Fair enough for you, fair enough for me.
Clearly it was John Robinson who started this altercation between the two of you, because if he had not created the software for this place you two would never have come into contact and this altercation could not have happened. John Robinson is the villain. Crucify John!
In my past I have dealt with recurring nightmares that resulted from accepting as a child the idea that my dad presented - that his blowing up was my fault because I put the newspaper away (or if I had left the newspaper on the floor where he left it, it would be my fault that he blew up because I had NOT picked up the paper.... etc ad nauseum). I emotionally accepted the premise that my guilt or innocence depended on what somebody else ultimately chose. My recurring nightmare was that I accidentally bumped my dearly-loved sister so that she fell over a bottomless cliff. I always jumped after her, hoping to fall faster than her so I could throw her back up to the top and somehow correct the terrible evil I had done.
Those nightmares ended when I realized that I am not responsible for the emotions and/or actions of my dad, or my husband, or my kids.
If Zimmerman initiated violence because he watched where Trayvon went, then I know a lot of little kids who deserved to get the living sh!t beaten out of them for the same reason. That is the logical conclusion of what the left is trying to say about George Zimmerman. I’ve come a long way and I can say with all my heart that I don’t buy that crap any more. Zimmerman did nothing wrong that night. We all live with “what if’s” but those will drive you nuts if you let them, and they make TERRIBLE legal arguments.
Watching another person out in public is not a crime. Noticing that they’re acting stoned is not a crime. Calling the police is not a crime. Asking somebody what they’re doing is not a crime. Shooting somebody before they either finish bashing your brains in or grab the gun and shoot you is not a crime.
You and I both know that; I think it’s time the rest of the world figured it out too.
IMO the bond should be reassessed based on his amended financial situation and when paid, he should be rereleased.
however If there are any lawyers out there who have seen this situation in theiur line of work I would like to hear what is typically done in this situation.
BTW, neither Tom Robinson nor George Zimmerman were heroes. They were normal people going about the business of their life. Tom was helping Mayella. George was helping the neighborhood. Both were framed for crimes they did not commit, and both were judged by people with an agenda rather than by evidence. That was my point.
If you’re not familiar with the evidence - if you’ve only accepted the word and bias of the racist media - then you wouldn’t see what really happened. And isn’t that the point? If all anybody ever heard was Bob Ewell’s account, then everybody would think that Tom was guilty. If all you’ve heard is Bob Ewell’s account - and by that I mean a media that has altered tapes and tampered with witnesses in order to frame Zimmerman - then you are the equivalent of the Cunninghams, who were no way gonna listen to the word of a black man over a white man. They knew who was guilty before they even thought about the evidence that proved their conclusions wrong.
Answer this: When did Trayvon circle Zimmerman’s truck and confront Zimmerman, to the point that Zimmerman rolled up his window out of fear for what Trayvon was going to do? What does the evidence say? When did that happen? What have you heard about that?
I would assume so. But I highly doubt anybody cross-references the numbers at the borders. I don't think he was pulling anything, I was just suggesting how two passports could legitimately exist.
You said, “I do not and never will see Tom Robinson in Zimmerman.”
Case is closed. The evidence doesn’t matter. Can’t you see what you’re doing? Lynchings never seem like a lynching to the person who does it. They always have some reason for it. And what makes lynching different than justice is whether the facts are accounted for.
The Cunninghams did not and never would see an innocent man in Tom Robinson. He was a horny black man who had beaten and raped a white girl; he deserved the death penalty that he was gonna get, and no amount of evidence was going to convince them otherwise.
That a nice wish, but I think you already know it's a pipedream. You stated a truth that many are slow to come by, "I am not responsible for the emotions and/or actions of my dad, or my husband, or my kids." Not only are they independent in emotion and action, but also belief. Not to say you have no ability to persuade, only that each of us holds the only keys to our own ultimate state of mind. It's inherent in the human condition, and in the balance, is a "good thing!"
Substantial parts of the rest of the world are firmly and irrevocably entrenched that Zimmerman is at fault for Martin's demise. The rationales for assigning blame range from getting out of his truck (lead investigator Serino), to being a murderous thug (Corey), and everything in between. They won't be persuaded to see things differently, ever. A fair number of poster on FR share the general sentiment of the prosecutor in this case, in finding Zimmerman to blame, even if only in a moral sense rather than in a legal one.
Time taken to persuade strangers who make no difference should be viewed as time wasted - fine if you are only seeking entertainment, but don't make any emotional investment in it.
The lost passport is rendered invalid by the state department, and the database is adjusted to flag the passport as invalid. If and invalid passport is used at a border, the border agent gets a notice of invalidity, and the person attempting to enter the country is detained until the situation can be resolved to the authorities satisfaction.
No cross referencing of numbers involved. Just one passport number, and it is flagged as "lost or stolen," invalid.
I assume the database has means to produce a report that recites all the passports issued to one individual, which is essentially a "cross-reference" of sorts.
There are people who will never see the flaws in their own logic. They will take garbage in and put garbage out.
If there are more of those people who vote than there are thinking people who vote, my kids’ future goes down the toilet.
The conversation isn’t for those who are hopeless and make no difference; it’s for the voting lurkers who might still be open to reason rather than allowing themselves to be sucked down the toilet with a media that’s circling the drain. If they are hypnotized in large numbers, the country will be lost. Like Germany was lost in the hypnotic trance of Adolf Hitler.
But the replacement passport would have a new number which wouldn’t be flagged as invalid, correct? That’s why the replacement passport needed to be surrendered.
EVERYONE knew about the fund. Everyone. Why did the judge ask a question ??? The crimes against Zimmerman by the PC system is what should be on trial.
Yes, correct on both counts.
Zimmerman was supposed to surrender the lost passport to the government, as soon as he found it. The government destroys it, or cancels it and returns it to the holder, if the holder requests.
Surrendering the lost one to the Florida Court looks bad, if you think about it. I don't think Judge Lester gave it much thought. At this point, I don't think it maters because both "infractions" represent a state of mind between April 12 and April 25 or so. Not to excuse that state of mind, but to explain it, Zimmerman was and continues to be in the process of being hosed by the state. Seems he figured out the state has infinite resources and infinite appetite for revenge. Better to submit early.
The issue is that Shellie Zimmerman told the court she didn't know how much money was "there," not even having enough knowledge to give an estimate. But from the conversations she had with George in the few days before the bail hearing, she had a rough idea of how much money was accumulated.
Lester's beef isn't about awareness of the existence of the fund - it is about denying knowledge of the amount of money accumulated.
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