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To: presidio9

I’ve read a lot about this. The author is correct. This is cruel and unusual punishment, and it can drive you quite permanently insane.


2 posted on 06/04/2012 10:33:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well perhaps they had better act civilized so they don’t end up there. The whole problem with prison is that we can’t send them anywhere worse.


3 posted on 06/04/2012 10:38:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Lazamataz

They get seperated from the rest of the population because they are violent towards other inmates and/or staff. Its unfortunate that they can’t find a way to stop offending even when locked up.


5 posted on 06/04/2012 10:40:30 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It is going to be Foot to Ass combat on election day....my foot and a Rat's ass.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hmmmm perhaps one shouldn’t behave in a manner that ends with being thrown into jail


7 posted on 06/04/2012 10:41:27 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Lazamataz

Our whole system of justice at this point is a disaster.


8 posted on 06/04/2012 10:42:51 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Lazamataz
Yes she is. Of course my solution, that if someone is dangerous enough to be placed in solitary for extended time to protect others they are worthy of the death penalty, would probably not meet her approval.

As for the "for their own protection" group why don't we just have a special prison where we send all of these guys? Then they can be with their "peers".

9 posted on 06/04/2012 10:42:51 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Migrating elephant herds react badly to flaming motor homes and dry ice doesn't repel killer bees)
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To: Lazamataz

I agree that long term solitary is probably excessive. As a short term punishment, it is probably the only effective deterrent prisons have at their disposal. At supermax prisons, which are supposedly an alternative to capital punishment, who gives a crap? In Norway, where solitary confinement has been found cruel and unusual, they are hiring “friends” to keep Anders Breivik company. That is the road you are on.

Prisons are not simply a place to warehouse criminals. They are also intended to be punishment, and therefore at least a little bit unpleasant.


10 posted on 06/04/2012 10:43:00 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Lazamataz
I’ve read a lot about this. The author is correct. This is cruel and unusual punishment, and it can drive you quite permanently insane.

Firing squad is neither unusual nor cruel as long as the shots find their mark.

Alternatively, I would support lethal injection over solitary confinement.

Disclaimer: My position is based on the assumptions that the worst violent offenders that have no chance of paroll are the subjects of this article. Temporary solitary confinement is reserved for bad behavior within the system (as I understand it).

17 posted on 06/04/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Lazamataz
Claustrophobia and panic attacks can begin in an instant in those conditions and blowout all the brain fuses. The Klingon Mind Sifter would be preferable.
18 posted on 06/04/2012 11:01:48 AM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: Lazamataz
The author is correct. This is cruel and unusual punishment, and it can drive you quite permanently insane

I'd rather put a bullet in their head, but that also leads to some permanent issues. I think the author does have a valid point because my thoughts immediately went to, "so what?". My "give a damn-meter" pegged out empty after one of them punched a nurse in the face knocking her out and then was pumping his arms up and down like a champ. Haldol, pavulon and a ventilator made him see the error of his ways. I don't fight violent criminals in the ER. That 's why God invented depolarizing agents and ventilators.

This incident among others like these made fairly hard hearted and decide that if people like this want to defend violent criminals, let them live with you. They come anywhere near me, I'm pulling a trigger till they stop.

In reality I'm more concerned about my dog pooping in my back yard than violent criminals. We should make 4x6 individual cells, with a cot that can be folded up, two buckets (one for water the other for a toilet) and 3 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for meals. On their birthday get them a Ding-Dong and on Christmas a peppermint candy cane. Otherwise just lock them up, they made the decision to commit crimes now reap what they sow.

19 posted on 06/04/2012 11:15:28 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Lazamataz
I’ve read a lot about this. The author is correct. This is cruel and unusual punishment, and it can drive you quite permanently insane.

OK, so why not put them to death in cases where they've murdered someone, etc.? Wouldn't that be less cruel and unusual punishment? At the very least, it would be quick and painless versus possibly going crazy or time.

Besides, aren't those that kill people generally insane, perhaps not legally, already?

23 posted on 06/04/2012 11:53:12 AM PDT by unique1
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To: Lazamataz

You are correct, I have worked in corrections and even a relatively brief stay in solitary can have a very detrimental effect.

One reason I believe, is that your usual criminal is ill equipped for introspection or penitence. Placed in solitary he is completely without the inner resources to both deal with it or benefit from it.


26 posted on 06/04/2012 1:19:18 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lazamataz

Good. Punishment is useless if its not “cruel” and “unusual.”

Just make certain that there is a sturdy fixture in the ceiling and that the sheets are nice strong...


33 posted on 06/04/2012 1:39:26 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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