Posted on 05/22/2012 9:14:44 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
A Hawaii official announced late Tuesday that the state gave Arizona’s top elections official the verification he wanted showing President Barack Obama was indeed born there in 1961.
The announcement came just hours after Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett backed away from his threats to keep Obama off the November ballot and apologized for embarrassing his own state with a conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into whether the president was really a natural born U.S. citizen.
It also followed weeks of back and forth between Hawaii and Arizona, with Hawaii officials saying they weren’t sure Bennett was qualified to be investigating the matter.
Here’s the full statement Joshua Wisch, the special assistant to the Hawaii attorney general, released at 11:35 p.m. ET:
(Excerpt) Read more at livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com ...
Yeah, I have a feeling the “proof” was a copy of the phony index record. The people of Arizona should demand the last series of emails - how the AG of Hawaii told him to modify his request, what the modification was, and the “proof” they sent him.
Freedom of Information request on Arizona, not Hawaii
Yes, that is what I meant ( the him was referring to Bennett )
The power of this conspiracy is just breath taking!
I'm no slouch.
Please address your comments to Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America who made the following comment at @reply 100.
Hawaii changed their law to accommodate Obama.
BTTT!
I replied to you because I thought you would get a laugh out of it.
Your idea why I replied to you is probably accurate.
Your second sentence provides strong evidence that your first sentence was an outright lie.
My reason was that most people spouting ignorance have no desire to be corrected by contrary facts - as I have directly experienced many times trying to point out that there was no “travel ban” on Americans visiting Pakistan in the 1980’s.
George Soros connection in:
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Non-certified abbreviated birth certificates are actually still supposed to be discloseable to anybody who asks for them. If you look at HRS 338-18(a) it restricts the HDOH from disclosing information from a vital record except as authorized by HRS 338-18 OR BY HDOH RULES DULY APPROVED.
Although those rules are supposed to be posted on the HDOH website at all times, Fukino hid them until about a year after the 2008 election. It took 3 months of haggling before the HDOH would even tell us WHAT RULES WERE IN EFFECT and then eventually post them as required by law.
One of the reasons I believe she hid them is because it says there that anybody can receive a non-certified copy of an abbreviated certificate (the abstract version, which is the only kind authorized in the rules to be by computer rather than photocopy or microfilm copy.
I’ve got stuff posted about this at my blog. Maybe I can go on my daughter’s computer and find a link. My computer freezes up anytime I go on my own blog. sigh.
The HI Ombudsman’s office - Alfred Itamura, to be exact, with the response cleared through Ombudsman Robyn Matsunaga (IIRC) - let me know that the HDOH was “not unreasonable” for saying they couldn’t disclose the non-certified abbreviated certs I requested, because the rules say those MAY be disclosed/issued rather than saying they SHALL be. But Itamura knows as well as me that UIPA says anything that CAN be disclosed MUST be disclosed. So basically the Ombudsman’s Office agreed that the HDOH CAN disclose those records to anybody who asks - contrary to what the HDOH routinely claims. And UIPA thus REQUIRES them to disclose it upon request.
I’ve got a link to the Administrative Rules on my blog, or you can get to it from the HDOH’s website if you know how to dig for it. Let me know if you’d like to see any of this and I’ll see if I can get to the links on my daughter’s computer.
BTW, those rules went into effect in 1976.
The verification that Hawaii sent Arizona can be found here:
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf
It's another Obama sekrit. Kabuki theater.
Well I spoke too soon about Kubuki theater.
They didn’t change the law; they just decided not to obey the one still in effect. They are refusing to let anybody even SEE either the original or a copy of an original birth certificate. Not even somebody expressly authorized to get a certified copy. That totally violates UIPA. According to UIPA anybody who is expressly authorized by law to have access to a record MUST be allowed to inspect it, which includes copying it. The HDOH refuses to allow either.
But just for birth certificates.They’ll allow certified copies of original death certificates. Something particular about birth certificates I guess...
At http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm is says:
Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]”
Nowhere does that say that if an applicant requests a certified copy of a certificate the HDOH can instead give them the contents of the certificate. It says that UPON REQUEST the HDOH SHALL provide to the applicant (the person who is applying for a SPECIFIC record) certified copy, contents, or a part of the certificate. What was applied for is what must be issued, as long as the requirements in 338-16, 339-17, and 338-18 are met.
The copy that was requested can be made by one of several processes, if approved by the Director of Health. But the HDOH Administrative Rules - which are still in effect and which bind the Director of Health - specify that certified copies of standard birth certificates MUST be made by photocopy, microfilm, or typing. Computer abstract not allowed.
So what, exactly, is the HDOH afraid is going to happen if they let people see the original birth certificate of themselves or their close relatives? Why violate UIPA, HRS 338-13, and the HDOH Administrative Rules rather than allow the people the records are about to be in on the secret of what was reported about them?
Explain that to me.
Here's to Drama! I'd like to see the origins of that Obama birf cert as would everyone else. This is the first time that Hawaii has been "confirmed" Obama's BC. Gee, "I hope it" stands up to future scrutiny since Hawaii has now crossed the Rubicon or is that Con?
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