Posted on 05/22/2012 7:05:50 AM PDT by xzins
Listen to interview at:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/a-goode-plan-to-save-american-jobs/?cat_orig=money
As President Obama and likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney remain locked in a virtual dead heat, is there any room for a third party to make a statement or even be competitive in 2012?
Thats the hope of the Constitution Party and its nominee, Virgil Goode.
Goode says Obamas spending is completely out of control but Republican proposals are also not good enough because he says the budget needs to be balanced now and not in a few years or a couple of generations from now.
I would submit a balanced budget if elected president, and it would be painful, Goode told WND.
He expects a fierce fight with Congress about cutting spending, but his plan would not focus on entitlement reforms. Instead, Goode envisions big cuts in discretionary spending both in the defense and domestic portions of the budget. When it comes to jobs, Goodes top priorities are to end illegal immigration and nearly put a stop to legal immigration in order to prevent foreign workers from competing with Americans for the job opportunities that exist.
Weve got to focus on discretionary spending, social-services programs. For instance, Ill make sure illegals and recent immigrants dont get food stamps, said Goode.
Goode says he would also seek to repeal Obama administration regulations that he says are stifling job creation. He would start with the Obama health care-laws which Goode considers the most repressive to job creators. The former congressman says he is not a spoiler in the race but is a much needed voice on fiscal responsibility, ending government programs for illegal immigrants and other issues.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
She has actually lived in Mass while Romney was governor and has applied her knoweldge and experience to the equation and reached her conclusions. And you have the nerve and audacity to call here "socailly autistic?" To sarcastically indicate that her posts are nothing more than "loop de loops" trying to rationalize a vote for Romney when she doesn't "seriously believe the nonsense she's written," in effect calling her a liar?
Howgwash and absolute Bravo Sierra.
Let me quote your own words back to you, with just a couple of changes...changes susbstituting your own words again in your own earlier quote:
...how does somebody reason or communicate with someone who actually believes that? Seriously, how is communication with them even possible? If you have somebody who is willing to completely dismiss everything that somebody actually says about why they support Romney, and instead chalks it up to "loop de loops" and "social autusts"
You seem to be pretty good at doing the exact type of thing you accuse others of.
Fact is Betty Boop, as a very strong conservative behind enemey lines in Mass lived under the Romney governorship and she has some prtetty pointed things to say about it that do not happen to agree with the stereotype and absolute nature of the comments being made about Romney.
She has laid out why so many (not all) of the decisions that wre made in Mass simply had to be made that way because of the fact that the Mass legislature (and people) have hamstrung the governor as they have.
In addition to all that she has said, that perhaps, because of her longstanding reputation, we would be well served to consider, I personally know people in Mass who know the Romney's and attended church in the areas where he was an LDS leader...and they too, though they are very conservative and loyal Americans and do not support a number of positions that Romney has taken in the past, indicate that he is a good man, a loyal American, and a person of high moral integrity.
(I know this means that I am LDS and can easily be written off by you or others as "well, he's Mormon, what do you expect?") in the same manner you accuse others of writing counter arguements off because people don't like Mormons. So don't let that knife cut both ways...let's not let it cut at all. When it came time to vote in caucuses herein Idaho in the first round I voted for Santorum and in the second round (in our county) I voted for Newt. NEwt lost and ROmney won on that second ballot.
Fact is, Romney has a platform and set of issues he's been running on now for 5 or 6 years. They are written down. If he wins, it is what he will do. Based on what Betty Boop (whom I know and respect greatly) has told me, based on what my own personal friends have told me, based on his own statements in his campaign, it is clear that Rommney is running to define marriage as between a single man and woman, that he is not for gay marriage, that he is running as a pro-life candidate, that he intends to strengthen America's military and foreign policy, that he intends to repeal Obama Care, that he intends to drastically cut spending by the Federal Government (including gutting Planned Parenthood) and that he intends to balance the budget, to cut federal government regulation and corporate and personal taxes, and to get the free market economic engine running again.
These are the things he says he will do, and they are based on the changes he says he has made. And they are all good things.
I have a lot of people here pointing to things he has said and done in the past and trying to convince me that he still is what he was...that he has not changed...that he is only paying lip service and that he is, in essence ieing. The fact is, some of the things he says today I clearly do not agree with.
But, balanced against that I know people now who lived under his governance who say things (like betty whom I trust impeccably) which indicate he wasn't nearly as bad as he is painted out to be. I know people who know him personally who I trust impeccably who say he is a good man, family wise, community wise, and integrity wise...who know him personally in his daily walk. I personally have studied his record, the way things were organized in Mass, his vetoes (and everyone really should look at the things he tried to veto), and although there is a lot about his record I do not agree with, and there are things he says today that I do not agree with, based on all of this and what he is actually running on (as you say what he is actually saying), I must conclude that he would clearly be orders of magnitudse better for the Republic than Obama.
Still, he is by no means the perfect, or close to the perfect conservative candidate.
But the fact is, given the organization, given the ballots of the fifty states, given the dollars available, there is NO ONE who could possibly defeat Barack Obama in November other than Mitt Romney. Sorry, but that is the fact...that is the pragmatic, realistic situation we are in.
So I will vote for him because I will do nothing by my action or inaction to give Obama another four years where he is willfully and very quickly doing all in his power and quite a ferw things that are not delegated to him in pwoer that he is doing anyway, to destroy this Republic.
Romney is doing no such thing. He is not planning to do any such thing, and in fact what he is running on is actually a pretty good conservative platform when you just let it stand on its own. Given the totality of my own experiences, studies, and information from people I trust and respect, I do not expect a victorious Romney to be liberal or progressive, I expect he will be much further towrds conservative than all of this mantra suggests, and I believe a House and Senate in the majority with a lot more Tea Party candidates will deliver up the legislation for him to sign that keeps it that way.
we have absolutely no chance of that with Obama and the simple fact is if it is not Romney then it will be Obama.
So, I will vote for and support Romney and pray to God in HEaven that Obama can be defeated and that a Romney administration, coupled with the majority House and Senate will turn the nation away from the precipice and start to get us back on firm footing. I believe they will if we elect them and that is what I am going to do all in my power to accomplish.
Four legs good.
Two legs bad - unless the have two far-left feet.
When you start with a false premise, all your conclusions are bound to be wrong.
I almost feel sorry for you guys, sitting there licking the hand that gives you a little nibble of the crumbs every once in a while. FR used to be a place where actual conservatives congregated. Now it seems to be a place where pseudo-conservatives with no principles congregate to pat themselves on the back for supporting Team R through think and thin.
It's a shame FR doesn't have a little more of the spirit JimRob himself displayed not so long ago:
Youre not getting the message. Im not going to support or vote for that evil abortionist/socialist bastard Romney come hell or high water...
If this is the best they have to offer, eff the GOP!!
I fully concur with JimRob on this point. If Romney is the best that the GOP can offer, then the GOP does not deserve my vote. Period.
Neither you nor he know any of this. You don't know that it isn't God's will to step in, suddenly change the hearts of the plurality of the people in this country towards someone like Virgil goode, and leave both "major" parties high and dry. It may not be, it probably isn't, but you have no earthly idea whether it actually is or not, so stop trying to hide behind "it's God's will." Who knows? Maybe the GOP nominated Romney because it's God's will to give us a second term of Obamna, and nominating such an obvious spineless moron as Romney is the way to bring that about "under the sun"? Who knows, maybe I'm *supposed* to vote third party so that this happens, and brings God's will to pass? How would you or Agamemnon ever know the difference? You wouldn't.
Yes - the chances are that Romney or Obama will win, at least as it looks at present. But it's nothing but pridefulness to assume that what we infer from probability is "God's will." Sorry, but you simply cannot make a theologically credible argument about God's will prior to an event happening, unless you have specific revelation from the Word of God about that event in prophecy.
Granted, either Romney or Obama likely will be President next year. America is under God's judgment, and either of those two candidates will be a quite suitable vehicle for the pouring out of that judgment. However, like the prophets in Israel who, knowing the nation was under judgment, nevertheless continued to try to turn the people away from wickedness and following wicked kings, I will do the same thing in America, even with two wicked "major" party candidates.
Great tagline Rita.
Fear of going “really really slovenly” has forced these folks to accept “really slovenly”.
In either case, it’s the Prodigal in the pig pen deep in muck not yet come to his senses. In that frame of mind he rejoiced when he got out of the center of the muck and a bit closer to the trough.
Alas, he was still fed slop.
Their mantra is "free speech for me but not for thee".
Put on your flame-proof undies, as you will be attacked not only for your words, but for your audacity in daring to post them.
This is the MittBots answer to Jim's "truce"...they have taken it as a complete surrender by him. They see FR as another link in the Romney PR campaign.
You don’t happen to work for one of those nonprofits created by Romney’s Climate ‘Protection’ Plan, do you? Because he created quite a few, in order to save the world.
No one ever said you were not free to say what you want...or even implied it. My point was simple. BB is well known for her positions and activities and dedication over a long period of years and perhaps her own thoughts on the matter based on living in Mass when Romney was governor are worthy of consideration.
Your attempts to characterize her, myself and others as “choosing to ignore him because of irrational fear and naivete, as are you, Agamemnon, and the rest who are quivering in fear,” and, “licking the hand that gives you a little nibble of the crumbs every once in a while...” are part of your freedom to express those views.
But for those who know us and of our own activities over the years, our own involvement, and to what degree we have gone to risk all in these efforts...such a characterization is so far off the mark as to be laughable.
We simply disagree, Yash...and that is fine.
I have not called you names, placed your honor, integrity, or bravery into question as a result of that disagreement, or disparaged you because of it. I have simpluy tried to point out reasons, again, why some of the points BB and others make are worthy of consideration.
Instead, you choose to make bald faced assetrtions about others which are simply false and meant only to marginalize those with whom you disagree as if though by simply stating such rediculous, bombastic statements it makes them true...almost like you were taking such points right out of Alinsky’s play book. Can’t you see that?
Again, you are free to say, feel, and voice your opinion however you feel. But that does not make what you say so, and particularly when you use such methods to try and score your points. It certainly does not serve the cause that you yourself espouse as critical for the Republic very well because such ad homion and vitriol does nothing to convince or move others toward your cause.
Prehaps you don’t care...and that’s fine too. But, IMHO, the end game of such a path and attitude towards others is a relatively small echo chamber that, again, does not serve your purpose well at all in helping the Republic.
One rea we can hopefully certainly agree on and must do in any case is to support an elect as many true conservatives into the House and Senate in Washington as possible, and into our state houses and county court houses. We will need them all in any case and I am committed to and will continue to do all in my power to impact that course of action as well.
What is false about my premise?
Well, it’s self-evidently untrue. Americans always have other choices. We’re not the Soviet Union.
Priceless commentary there.
Having thought this through I, too, concur that the having two secular moral midgets thrust before us now are hardly a pronouncement of heavenly favor. Nor is this a contest between good and evil, but equal evils, equal records, equal goals, seeking equal outcomes, using same or differing methods only on occasion. The ENDS are the same except for the means, which amounts to nothing much, but for the ponies they ride in on. One branded (R).
LOL...that's the second favorite accusation from the MittBots/mormons....
This is usually resorted to when other FReepers refuse to give in to the "vote against Romney is a vote for Obama" lecture.
But for those who know "us" and of our own activities over the years, our own involvement, and to what degree we have gone to risk all in these efforts...such a characterization is so far off the mark as to be laughable.
What exclusive "us" are you speaking of, Jeff? I've been here since 2001, and I recall a whole list of FReepers involved in "activities, involvements and risk" that do not necessarily agree with the ABOs.
Again, you are free to say, feel, and voice your opinion however you feel. But that does not make what you say so, and particularly when you use such methods to try and score your points.....
Gee, I haven't seen Yashcheritsiy using accusations of "alinksy" in trying to score points. That really looks like a "bald faced assetrtions about others which are simply false and meant only to marginalize those with whom you disagree as if though by simply stating such rediculous, bombastic statements".
IMO, you might want to read your words in which you begin with "No one ever said you were not free to say what you want" to find an attempt to "marginalize those with whom you disagree."
because such ad homion and vitriol does nothing to convince or move others toward your cause.
As I've suggested, read your own words. This is an open forum not a place in which one FReeper has "authority" over another with a podium to stand behind and lecture from.
Yeah; hatred IS an ugly thing all right!
Are you still killing your unborn? -- GOD |
Uh...
Future brimstone smellers?
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
What are the other choices?
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