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George Zimmerman Case: Should Charges Be Dropped?
ABC News ^ | May 21, 2012 | Matt Gutman

Posted on 05/21/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Two prominent U.S. lawyers are among the skeptics questioning whether evidence in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin supports the second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman, given the confessed shooter's apparent injuries and freshly released eyewitness accounts.

"There is no second-degree murder evidence in this case," Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said. "It's a very close case."

Details released in the past week add to the picture of what might have transpired on that rainy Feb. 26 before Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in the Sanford, Fla., community where Martin, 17, was staying with his father's fiancée, shot the teen dead.

Previously unknown particulars, including the scrape on Martin's knuckle and photos of Zimmerman's battered and swollen face -- which were taken moments after he shot and killed Martin in what he says was self defense -- coupled with eyewitness accounts that back up Zimmerman's story, suggest for some that the prosecutor overreached.

"I'd rather play the defense than the prosecutor, because there's no way you get a murder-two conviction," journalist-attorney Geraldo Rivera said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" last week....

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; dershowitz; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ted Baxter?

Mike

21 posted on 05/21/2012 5:54:12 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: yldstrk

“Pursue” is the wrong word. “Trying to keep an eye on Tray is more realistic”.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 5:56:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: txrangerette
Even the BP would have a tough time calling for Z to be taken...

Perhaps the BP have already paid out their bounty. Could have paid Sanford police, or Holder... Perhaps they are sharing the bounty.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:03 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Venturer
Jesse and Al....And who do you think called Jesse and Al??

Remember, this wasn't even in the news for 3 weeks. That's called planning aka conspiracy in the Obama circle.

24 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: txrangerette
"The BP bounty was called for until Z was charged."

Then why wasn't "Z" paid the bounty?

25 posted on 05/21/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Kriggerel

His mother is Peruvian, so I would think he might be a citizen there.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Greg Gutwel?


27 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:06 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: txrangerette
"The BP bounty was called for until Z was charged."

Then why wasn't "Z" paid the bounty for turning himself in?

28 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:38 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: yldstrk

Here we go again.

He wasn’t told not to pursue.

A dispatcher, who had zero authority, told him he wasn’t needed to do that.

He replied, “ok”.

Evidence will show he went back to his car.

Also, evidence will show he was simply trying to see where the kid went, so he could give an address to the cops, and was NOT pursuing he kid to harm him.

Bringing a gun to a fight?

He was a neighborhood watch and had a concealed carry permit.

He had no way of knowing there would be a fight.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Previously unknown particulars, including the scrape on Martin's knuckle and photos of Zimmerman's battered and swollen face -- which were taken moments after he shot and killed Martin in what he says was self defense -- coupled with eyewitness accounts that back up Zimmerman's story, suggest for some that the prosecutor overreached.

Haven't seen anyome make the connection yet, but the marking on the inside of Martin's ring finger might also bolster that Martin spotted the gun during the deal and tried to take it away - good chance the slide racking back rubbed it hard. Would also explain the failure to chamber the next round. I don't think the case is as close as Dershowitz states as he opines it doesn't have 2nd degree evidence.

30 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: txrangerette

Hey bud, I am not trying to argue the case against him, I am just outlining how the prosecution is thinking


31 posted on 05/21/2012 6:02:34 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

So a police dispatcher (almost certainly NOT a law enforcement officer but rather a clerk) now has the authority to order me around? I didn’t realize that. Who do I see for my camp uniform and ticket?


32 posted on 05/21/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: yldstrk

“...that the popo told Z. not to pursue and he got himself “a problem” when he did pursue.”

There is no proof of that.


33 posted on 05/21/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Kriggerel
"...when the charges are dropped and/or he’s found not guilty, he needs to move to some South Pacific island..."

Given what he'll receive in book advance(s), movie rights, and out-of-court cash settlements from the Florida State, County, Police and prosecutors when he immediately slaps every one with an open-and-shut charge of improper arrest and professional negligence compounded with severe mental anguish and slam-dunk life-threatening related causation, he'll be able to buy a South Pacific island... and a colored staff to run it!

LMAO

34 posted on 05/21/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by Gargantua ("All men ARE 'created' equal--but 21 years later... well, 'nuff said...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Charges should NOT be dropped, except through an Acquittal.

IF the Charges were just dropped, you KNOW the race-baiters and ambulance-chasing Martin Attorney will STILL be pursuing Zimmerman and the Deep Pockets of the Taxpayers/City of Sanford, for "Wrongful Death", etc., and the inner-city parasites and Democrat Racists will scream about "Whitewash" (pun-intended), and NO JUSTICE; NO PEACE.

Count on it, ala Rodney King-style. Who will be the NEXT Reginald Denny to get mugged by "social un-rest"?????

35 posted on 05/21/2012 6:08:55 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traderrob6

What I mean by getting himself a “problem” is that TM said You got a problem? You do now” and jumped him.

Look, as I said to rangerette, I am not advocating anything, I am suggesting the thoughts of the prosecution based on the known facts. There could be more. I mean, the facts as they are currently “known” show TM was shot in the chest from a medium distance. This could (I am not saying it does or concluding anything, just indicating an argument)indicate that TM was backing up and was not on Z when shot. Look, y’alls’ personal hopes and opinions are interesting, but that is all. The facts have to be used to attempt to figure out what transpired, and even then, could be wrong. Z may be the only one who knows and he should keep his mouth shut.


36 posted on 05/21/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: traditional1

If the charges are dropped based on “Stand Your Ground” he cannot be re-tried and no civil suits against him are allowed, as it’s been explained to me. The “deep pockets” for Ben Crump and the rest of the racialist industry will have to be found elsewhere...


37 posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Doogle
.the same eyewitness account that was told the next day after the story broke.

Where have these people been? The FR has been discussing this evidence since day one.
38 posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Kriggerel

If Zimmerman were smart, when the charges are dropped and/or he’s found not guilty, he needs to move to some South Pacific island, or some place like Liechtenstein or Monaco.

If he stays in the US, he’s not long for this world. Not when he’s already been tried, convicted and sentenced in the court of political correctness.

I’d give Zimmerman a licence to carry 2 fully automatic Uzi’s:)


39 posted on 05/21/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: yldstrk

I’m not a “bud”.

Many times others have misstated and have repeated that he was ordered or told not to pursue.

Untrue, and easily proven untrue.

It was suggested to him by a dispatcher who wielded no authority that it was not needed.

I state that so others who read this and have been misinformed can be informed.

The word pursue is wrong, because he was trying to help cops find the kid’s location, is all he was ever doing. (And he stopped doing that. Then was attacked.)

A lot of people don’t know that, either.

I’m glad you know more than the words you stated. So many don’t know.

That’s all I meant by “here we go again”.

As for the prosecution’s case, they don’t have one.

This is all political and racial.


40 posted on 05/21/2012 6:15:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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