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1 posted on 05/13/2012 8:32:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Kelsey Griffith, an Ohio Northern University student who has $120,000 in student debt, counted her tips at the end of her shift at the Red Pig Inn, one of her two jobs, in Ottawa, Ohio.

Much like the mortgage brokers who promised pain-free borrowing just a few years back, many colleges don't offer warnings about debt in their brochures. Instead, reading from the same handbook as for-profit colleges, they urge students not to worry about the costs. That's because most students don't pay full price.

Even discounted, the price is beyond the means of many.
2 posted on 05/13/2012 8:34:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Get ready for punishment of those who went to a college they could afford. My kids live debt free and they will pay the price for all those whining today.

Punish the prudent and wise.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 8:37:19 AM PDT by George from New England
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But when I graduate, I'm going to owe like $900 a month. No one told me that."

Not a mathematics major I presume.

6 posted on 05/13/2012 8:40:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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That's the best the "Star & Sickle" can do?

They're slipping.

7 posted on 05/13/2012 8:41:43 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Folks, this is all about the good old taxpayer being screwed into paying for all kinds of worthless liberal indoctrination. These articles aren’t about people graduating with degrees in math, science, computers, or any other “hard” subjects. They are about people paying $300 per semester hour to be taught liberal BS like the following worthless courses:

1. “The Phallus” Occidental College. A seminar in critical theory and social justice, this class examines Sigmund Freud, phallologocentrism and the lesbian phallus.

2. “Queer Musicology” UCLA. This course welcomes students from all disciplines to study what it calls an “unruly discourse” on the subject, understood through the works of Cole Porter, Pussy Tourette and John Cage.

3. “Taking Marx Seriously” Amherst College. This advanced seminar for 15 students examines whether Karl Marx still matters despite the countless interpretations and applications of his ideas, or whether the world has entered a post-Marxist era.

4. “Adultery Novel” University of Pennsylvania. Falling in the newly named “gender, culture and society” major, this course examines novels and films of adultery such as “Madame Bovary” and “The Graduate” through Marxist, Freudian and feminist lenses.

5. “Blackness” Occidental College. Critical race theory and the idea of “post-blackness” are among the topics covered in this seminar course examining racial identity. A course on whiteness is a prerequisite.

6. “Border Crossings, Borderlands: Transnational Feminist Perspectives on Immigration” University of Washington. This women studies department offering takes a new look at recent immigration debates in the U.S., integrating questions of race and gender while also looking at the role of the war on terror.

7. “Whiteness: The Other Side of Racism” Mount Holyoke College. The educational studies department offers this first-year, writing-intensive seminar asking whether whiteness is “an identity, an ideology, a racialized social system,” and how it relates to racism.

8. “Native American Feminisms” University of Michigan. The women’s studies and American culture departments offer this course on contemporary Native American feminism, including its development and its relation to struggles for land.

9. “’Mail Order Brides?’ Understanding the Philippines in Southeast Asian Context” Johns Hopkins University. This history course — cross-listed with anthropology, political science and studies of women, gender and sexuality — is limited to 35 students and asks for an anthropology course as a prerequisite.

10. “Cyberfeminism” Cornell University. Cornell’s art history department offers this seminar looking at art produced under the influence of feminism, post-feminism and the Internet.

11. “American Dreams/American Realities” Duke University. Part of Duke’s Hart Leadership Program that prepares students for public service, this history course looks at American myths, from “city on the hill” to “foreign devil,” in shaping American history.

12. “Nonviolent Responses to Terrorism” Swarthmore College. Swarthmore’s “peace and conflict studies” program offers this course that “will deconstruct ‘terrorism’ “ and “study the dynamics of cultural marginalization” while seeking alternatives to violence.


11 posted on 05/13/2012 8:58:09 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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This is a huge problem, caused by the naievety of these students and their parents who co-signed for their loans. I have a sister and niece in this exact situation.

For years Americans have been hearing that a college degree is required for success, and nobody bought into more than non-college parents trying to make sure their kids had it better than they had.

Colleges and academics have been inflating the cost of college at an obscene rate, offering nothing but vague promises and useless degrees in return.

Until Americans start assessing the cost versus benefit of college before running up the bills, this will be a problem.

12 posted on 05/13/2012 8:58:09 AM PDT by Kenton
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“”” Her father, a paramedic, and mother, a preschool teacher, have modest incomes, and she has four sisters.”””

The acorn certainly did not fall very far from this Government Employee Tree.

It is pretty obvious that her parents assume that the government will take care of them as employees and will take care of their offspring as well.

When the Ohio Voters enact legislation cutting the benefits given to government employees, then you will hear them really screaming.

What a bunch of dysfunctional idiots to let their daugther spend $50,000 per year on a college degree that they cannot afford.


18 posted on 05/13/2012 9:06:43 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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And for over half of graduates, they haven’t learned anything that will help them become productive citizens.


21 posted on 05/13/2012 9:13:22 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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The comments at the site are the typical socialists crap. Rather than ask why the costs of education is so high and what can be done to bring it down, they'd rather go the socialist route.
22 posted on 05/13/2012 9:16:10 AM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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When the Feds took over the college funding,
I knew it would only be a matter of time.
The NWO wants everyone owing them $$$$$
What better way to get them right out of school,
owing the gov?
Can you say IRS enforcement?


24 posted on 05/13/2012 9:16:41 AM PDT by Bibman (Tea Party since 1976)
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I’ve been wanting to post this for a while. I live down the street from the University of South Alabama, a public school that I guess would be a medium size university. Over the last few years, I have watched them build two new multi-million dollar class room buildings. No big deal. I’ll assume their enrollment is increasing. But they also built an incredible number of apartments (student housing). Okay, again, increased enrollment. Now, let’s talk about the multi-million dollar student center, with indoor basketball courts, a swimming pool, and I don’t know what else. And let’s talk about the new clock tower. Yes, a brand spanking new CLOCK TOWER! Every college has to have one of those, right? How about two ball fields, one for baseball and one for women’s softball? And, to top it all off, I would venture to guess that their new entrances, all brick work and beautifully landscaped, must have cost near or above another million. I can’t for the life of me understand how they can have that kind of money, and, if they do, why not lower tuition instead of building unnecessary brick walls and clock towers?


30 posted on 05/13/2012 9:44:11 AM PDT by suthener
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I must have missed it. What’s her degree?


31 posted on 05/13/2012 9:45:31 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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How to Survive the Obama Economy:

  1. Live on a sailboat.
  2. Steal wifi.
  3. Eat ramen.


37 posted on 05/13/2012 10:07:21 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank. - Montgomery Scott)
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Another huge contributor to this problem is the high school “guidance” department’s “advice.”

I cannot count how many student/parent college “information” programs I attended with my 3 children or programs that parents and kids attended separately where the audience was explicitly told not to worry about the cost of the education. There was a concerted effort on part of high school guidance offices and college financial advisers to push students to attend schools without regard to cost; the local community college was acknowledged as the option for those who had no other options...Families were encouraged to find the perfect school and then deal with the financing. Have a reach school (pricey, selective) and a safety school (cheap, local) Really? Really! It is one of the most important financial investments a family will make and we were told we should not worry about the costs?!?! So it seems to me that there was an effort to push students towards the pricey schools to enhance the school’s reputation without regard to what a family was comfortable borrowing/spending.

So rooms full of students and parents did just that~they did not worry about the costs. The children got into expensive schools which made the high school look attractive in the evaluations. However, now students and parents are left with huge loans; tho I don’t know how parents and students can act as if they did not know there would be huge payments associated with the huge loans~it was all spelled out to both students and parents. How can anyone assume loan payments would be any different for a $200,000 mortgage than a $200,000 student loan?

BTW, our family did consider the price, and all 3 went or are paying in-state tuition or equivalent sums....no bargain, but much cheaper than the $50,000+/year charged for out-of-state and private schools.


38 posted on 05/13/2012 10:29:13 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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Education does not create jobs in the wider economy. In fact you need an increase in the number of jobs before you require an increase in education.Society needs more savings to provide the investment capital that creates the jobs. Less loans = less debt = more savings = more investment = more jobs = more demand(real) for education.

Governments love stealing money/wealth from future generations and giving it to the present generation to buy votes.
This is what the national debt is - massive state theft from the unborn.

Thus it is easy for the government to goad naive young people into robbing themselves of future wealth.


51 posted on 05/13/2012 11:37:17 AM PDT by wolfman
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"But when I graduate, I'm going to owe like $900 a month. No one told me that."

Did you bother to ask anyone?

53 posted on 05/13/2012 11:48:29 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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The main problem is a combination of stupid parents, stupid students, and of course the biggest scam industry run by universities and colleges.

Stupid parents and stupid students because these fools think that any degree will provide a good job. In fact most degrees would not get you a job in the field where you majored let alone get you a good job. The vast majority of arts degree are totally worthless in the real world of employment but the stupid parents let their children get into these majors not thinking for a second that there is no good jobs for their children if they chose these majors. The famous and extremely dumb statement by moronic but proud parents "my son/daughter has a college degree", the question is what type of degree does your son or daughter have, but the moronic parents do not even bother to think about it for second. The stupid students chose these worthless arts majors because they can damn party all night, get drunk, etc... without the fear of failing something that it is very easy to pass, IQ required for these arts majors is somewhere between 95 to 105 i.e no high intelligence and no hard work is required

The schools themselves are running this huge scam because they are not forced by law to show the students what is the actual return in the real world on the money they pay for their degrees. They are not forced by law to tell the student what does he or she expect to earn for the degree he or she is studying based on actual market job data.

54 posted on 05/13/2012 11:58:21 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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Well of course they’re in debt. How else are they going to get the money to pay for it, if they want to go to school full-time? They might have part-time jobs, as well, but that money won’t pay for their education. Many of my generation, graduating almost 40 years ago, also had debt, but we were in school before inflation hit colleges, and the cost of education went through the roof.


55 posted on 05/13/2012 12:00:47 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Companies can no longer aptitude test because it is discrimination due to the "Griggs vs. Duke Power" decision. Now the college degree serves as the equivalent of the employment aptitude test. Talk about inefficient system....
57 posted on 05/13/2012 12:01:58 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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