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To: reaganaut; betty boop; Jim Robinson; xzins; LS; Bigun; P-Marlowe
If the real conservatives would jump the ship called GOP, and actually WORK for a party that supports our views, we would have a chance.

Work? That sounds too much like...work.

Conservatives will never go for that. We'd rather sit back and grouse about how we got gyped again, while huffing and puffing about how next time, we're really gonna get 'em.

Just like in 2008. And 1996. And 1992.

Face it, conservatism has been killed by the Left. Conservatism is dying of lethargy.

387 posted on 05/04/2012 9:27:35 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; reaganaut; betty boop; Jim Robinson; xzins; LS; Bigun; P-Marlowe

“...We’d rather sit back and grouse about how we got gyped again, while huffing and puffing about how next time, we’re really gonna get ‘em. ...”

Nothing will change unless Conservatives actually MOVE into leadership positions at all levels - township, county, state, etc., - where public policy can actually be influenced. IOW, where we can actually DO something according to principles.

If we sit at home and don’t run for office, how do we change anything? If want to change the GOP, WE have to BE the GOP.

Like scumbag ALinsky said (and he was right): YOU be the Delegate...or the township supervisor...or the county tax collector...etc.

That’s how they did it. The OWSholes and other street mimes are just sideshow and distraction. They aren’t the real threat; the real threat is the nameless, faceless apparatchniki raising your taxes every year, fining you for having your grass too high, or too many cars in your driveway, or sitting on the school board and having radical lefties lecture your children in school on a daily basis.

Only - they AREN’T nameless, and they AREN’T faceless; they’re people that live in your neighborhoods, and they are doing things that directly impact you and your families.

The other side USED THE SYSTEM, gamed it, and got elected.

Seems to me our side needs to do the same thing, challenge them publically, door-to-door, mailbox to mailbox, neighbor to neighbor.

We accomplish ZERO by not being in these positions. The system is what it is. We should learn to use it, and learn fast.

I don’t pretend to have the answers to this, but it seems to me that, even as repulsive as we find Alinsky, the SOB was right, and they pulled it off. What did another commie bastard Ho Chi Minh say - cherish your enemies, they teach you the best lessons?

You can start locally by getting on your own town council, or even run for Sheriff, or deputy, or whatever. Just get in the door by whatever means you can.

We have bright people out here, with incredible political minds...why aren’t we in positions to put it to good use?

Ideas?


423 posted on 05/04/2012 9:42:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Sadly, that is very true. My first POTUS election was in 1992. In 1996, I was a delegate to the CA state convention. All I have seen is the GOP pushing conservatives to the fringe and more and more just bending over and taking it.

I voted for McCain (held my nose) and that was the last time.

I’m done with the GOP. I will put my money, time and energy to back a party that agrees with my beliefs rather than marginalizes them.


465 posted on 05/04/2012 10:15:19 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
If the real conservatives would jump the ship called GOP, and actually WORK for a party that supports our views, we would have a chance.

Personally I've been living that for over thirty years and it HAS made a difference! When I started you couldn't even say the word republican in most corners of Texas and now you cannot get elected to anything as a Democrap here!

NOW we work on weeding out the RINOS and are making great progress there as well!

Is there more work to do? Hell yes and lots of it but cutting and running isn't going to accomplish ANYTHING!

552 posted on 05/04/2012 11:13:58 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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