oooOOOOoooohH!
I've made one of those!
Posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:08 PM PDT by Mozilla
Many naive Americans believe that Mormonism is merely another branch of protestant Christianity. Well that’s not what the founders and leaders of Mormonism believed.
According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”
When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said,
"They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."
Romney, the father of homosexual marriage in America and abortion funding Romney Care in Massachusetts, flip-flops on virtually every issue, but he is adamant about his anti-Christian Mormonism. Romney needs the vote of Christians to win election, but he refuses to “disavow one or another of its precepts.”
Nor can anyone think Romney is merely a casual or cultural Mormon who just happened to be born Mormon. He is an active Bishop in the Mormon church hierarchy. He cannot pretend to be ignorant of the teaching of Joseph Smith and the other “prophets” of Mormonism.
Below is a list of quotes from Mormon leaders and official publications starting with Joseph Smith down to our day. The message is consistent and clear.
(Excerpt) Read more at defendchristians.org ...
applause.
If those tithes don’t arrive, the wrath of the Guru will be visited upon them!
GIMMIE MY CHECK ! ! !
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I do lambast other cults (even athiesim). However, Romney belongs to this particular cult which happens to be the cult I was saved out of almost 20 years ago and the group I am called to minister to.
I guess my problem is that I personally do not care what someones believes in the realm of religion. I’m not a big enough egomaniac to care.
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Then I take it you are not a Christian? For Christians it isn’t egomania, it is concern for souls. It stems from a desire to share your faith and warn others that their souls are in danger of a very real hell. That isn’t egomania, that is Christian witness.
He said that because he loved me. I am FAR from a ‘girly girl’ and was on the kickboxing team in College when we had this conversation. I could have kicked is ass, but I was more hurt than angry at losing my long time best friend. However, in the end, we not only regained our friendship, he helped lead me to the Lord and we fell in love.
oooOOOOoooohH!
I've made one of those!
OK, Jesus commended in one or two places the actions of the Pharisees, while roundly & soundly condemning them inwardly -- to the point He called them "whitewashed sepulcres" -- filthily and wormily dead on the inside.
You wouldn't be implying that Jesus was somehow unloving, would you be?
Isn't one form of love -- for say a parent of spouse of an addicted love one -- tough love? (Vs. enabling them in their addiction by "loving" them (your version) -- vs. not telling them the truth?
Doesn't one of the greater chapters of love in the New Testament speak of how "love rejoices in the truth"? (1 Cor. 13:6)
Is not then one form of love -- telling people the truth...not wanting them to wind up in hell? Or do you attempt to be somehow "neutral" toward hell as a destination?
It is those who know the truth that have a responsibility to tell the truth in a way that will lift up our fellow man; not put him down.
So when Jesus referenced the Pharisees as "children of the devil," you condemn Him? Are you consistent here? Or when the apostle Paul referenced the false wolves who would come into devour the sheep (Acts 20:28-31), you condemn this apostle for using a derogatory animalistic application?
I could on & on from the Scriptures.
The problem is you have had an epic fail here.
Jesus and our Lord's prophets and apostles tended to comfort the afflicted; and afflict the comfortable.
You my friend, have failed miserably to practice discernment on who needs both LAW and Gospel and who needs to more immediately hear about the grace, compassion, mercy and love of God. Yes, we all need that...but as Jesus said, he didn't come to attend as a physician those who don't think they need a doctor...
Where you have flunked here is that we have a large body of religious people who think that membership in a given man-made organization is what qualifies them for heaven or some degree of heaven...that, coupled with meritorious good deeds that will earn a spot for them...Jesus was quite harsh for this reason upon religious hypocrites...
They don't realize they have a cancerous sin of self-pride -- a pride that encourages them to think they can build their own stairway to heaven.
Just as a man who won't concede he has cancer won't seek a cure, a person who won't concede their darkness, their slavery to sin nature, etc. won't seek Our Lord in an eternal relationship as Savior...
Posters like you love to quote John 3:16, but somehow never get around to citing what Jesus said two verses later:
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Is this then an unloving assessment by Jesus?
We should show the light of our lives, warn those who do not know what they are doing that there is danger, and tell all that there is a better way.
OK...you finally got around to trying to offer a bit of counterbalance...that, yes, people need warnings about a danger.
If you back up to my Acts 20:28-31 reference, how often did Paul warn the Ephesian church about these false wolves. Now & then? Once in a while? Occasionally?
Would you believe DAILY for three years...Night and day???
The problem is you present this caveat of issuing "warnings" almost as a minor afterthought; for the APOSTLE Paul, this was something he did -- if we take him literally -- over 2,000 times in three years' time...and all as he also made it a goal to proclaim the "whole counsel" of God...says Acts 20.
So, it's not like he was only conducting seminars on the cults & heretics.
And that is why I just LOVE to post MORMON teachings and writings; showing how their OWN leaders CONDEMN them!
It would NOT be very loving to keep them in the dark about the less PUBLISIZED things of MORMONism; would it?
The TRUTH shall set them free indeed!
JS did pretty good on his own.
But of course, MORMON apologists will blame GOD for this message:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???Eliza was a devout Mormon.At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick andknocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.Wow!!I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
There you were, browsing thru FR one day, reading this and that, minding your own business; when suddenly you came across this thread and decided to educate us all with some new information.
When was the last time I heard of a family scandal, shooting or criminal business dealing involving a Mormon?
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Josh Peterson, Josh Powell, the Triton scandal, the Bishop who was just arrested for covering up sexual abuse, several other stories of LDS leaders covering up abuse. I can go on.
Not to mention the petty crimes Mormons perpetuate on ‘gentiles’
Even if they were perfect, which they are far from, that still doesn’t make them Christians. And they don’t fear God, if they did they wouldn’t have the theology they do.
“Catholics are Christians, Mormons are not. To equate them shows your vast ignorance of both.”
to equate mormons with muslims displays your ignorance as well as your religious bigotry.
There is only one answer to that: I would NOT want Barack Obama inflicted on me, or even you, for four more years, regardless of whom I have to vote for to get him out. Is that simple enough?
Like I could give a crap about your Mormon musings or do any more than skim them. I know a crank when I see one. .....
..... I will be voting for whoever the Republicans have running against Obama. I have been consistent on this since Obama was inaugurated January 20th 2012. A shorter time than you have been posting vile trash about Mormons.
“Then you would be wrong. Mormonism is not pro life, and not anti-gay. They accept and even promote these things, not oppose them and I can source that. Learn the facts, don’t rely on Mormon propaganda.”
yes, please provide us with source documents which support your statements that mormons are not pro-life and are not anti-gay. didn’t the mormon church support Proposition 8 in California which was against same sex marriage?
what specifically happened to you that has made you such a virulent anti-mormon “Christian” ?
There is only ONE religion at this point on my side of the aisle: the CHURCH OF GET RID OF OBAMA. To that end, if you're in any way not helping to actively get rid of Obama, you are with him. Shame on you.
Anybody but Obama for you and me
where have you been hiding? long time to hear more anti-mormon diatribe from you and too many others on this website. how very christian you “christians” are. Jesus said he that is without sin cast the first stone. you can love the sinner but hate the sin, can you not?
maybe you and others are really just trying to save mormons from the fire and brimstone you expect they will end up in, if they don’t become true Christians like yourselves. being saved is truly critical for the unrepentant sinner.
Funny, that is the general opinion of the Orthodox Jews, Catholics and Muslims as well !!
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Jews and Muslims don’t claim to be Christian and AFA Catholics, that isn’t dogma of the Catholic church so your comparison fails.
Dear LS, I totally agree with this statement. And thank you from my heart for saying it.
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