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To: discostu
And we ALL know about PARC, so regardless of which came before Mac we all know there was GUI before Mac.

PARC did NOTING with their GUI. They were a research organization. Apple did... and Apple did indeed invent a lot of the GUI that PARC had nothing to do with. You really don't know. I bet you believe Apple "stole" what they learned at PARC. Apple did not. They paid for the rights to what they learned from merely OBSERVING. . . they paid over $1 million in pre-IPO common stock which was later sold by Xerox for over $7 million dollars, and had it been kept till today, would be worth BILLIONS!

And if you think a multitouch screen is that massive a difference you need to think again. It’s still a touch screen interface. And no they didn’t all need stylus, most of them what the stylus did was add precision, just like the styluses you get on the POS card machines in stores today, you don’t need it, it’s just there.

And AGAIN you demonstrate your ignorance. Multitouch IS a massive difference over a mere single touch screen. . . and Apple has the patents on multitouch. Even today the cheapie touch screen phones are suggesting using styli to interface. The key that Apple added was ACCURACY... with multitouch.

When somebody like you says "everybody knows" it means that it likely IS NOT TRUE!

Ooh they added multitouch over the touch screens everybody else had on there, big effen deal, still a freaking touchscreen on a freaking cellphone with others did first. Get over yourself, get over Apple.

Do you realize how HARD it is to detect MULTIPLE contacts on a screen and to accurately locate those touches? And then to be able to handle the directionality and vector of the multiple movements of those touches? Microsoft used CAMERAS on their BIG TABLE to try to accomplish the same thing! Until Apple's engineers did it, no one else was successful in doing it. That is why APPLE has the patents. Lots of them. . . and deserves them.

You pick out a minor thing and claim that the minor thing is the same as the complex whole... when it is not even accomplished anywhere nearly the same... and then claim you have won... when you have only demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the subject. A good example being the Limited features of the Psion's 4K, single line display, hand held electronic address book and calculator and YOUR claiming it is the same thing as the far more sophisticated Newton Personal Digital Assistant of years later when it lacked even basic time keeping functions like a calendar or a clock! YOU claim that because it had one or two minor features of a much more complex device, and is handheld, it must be counted as being identical. IT IS NOT... nothing could be further from the truth.

YOU do not understand at all what an invention is... not at all.

91 posted on 05/01/2012 9:21:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Oh look lots of yelling and lies and insults. The usual crap from the guy that insists everybody else is a troll.

PARC did one very important thing with their GUI: they made it BEFORE Apple did. thus Apple didn’t invent it, didn’t do it first.

Multitouch is no more different than 4 on the floor is from 3 on the tree. It’s still a touchscreen interface on a smartphone. Multitouch is adding a widget to a gadget, NOT inventing something actually NEW.

Just because it’s hard doesn’t make it a NEW device. See that was the contention that Apple doesn’t invent new devices. That’s what I said then you go off on some BS rant about patents on multi-touchscreens all of which are things they ADD to EXISTING concepts. Not NEW devices, not INVENTIONS.

I didn’t pick out a minor thing YOU’RE the one that keeps picking out minor things. My point was about the BIG things the things they don’t do first. They DIDN’T make the first smartphone, they DIDN’T make the first smartphone with a touchscreen, they DIDN’T make the first PDA, they DIDN’T make the first GUI. See these are all BIG things, you’re the one spazing out about little things multi-touchscreens trying to make them big.

Oh and it’s NOT me claiming the Psion was first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant
The first PDA was released in 1986 by Psion, the Organizer II. Followed by Psion’s Series 3, in 1991, which began to resemble the more familiar PDA style. It also had a full keyboard. [4][5]

That’s reality. And I never said it was the same thing, I said it was the same category of device, which they are. From the same link:
A personal digital assistant (PDA), also known as a palmtop computer, or personal data assistant,[1][2][3] is a mobile device that functions as a personal information manager.

See they’re both portable devices for managing personal information. Notice how there’s nothing in that definition about memory size or interface, just the concept of what the device is for. Was the Newton more sophisticated? Yes. Was it first? No. That’s once again the difference between the little things YOU obsess on (memory) and the big thing I’M pointing out (device concept). The first PDA is of course not going to be as sophisticated as one that comes a decade later, but the fact that the one a decade later has a bunch of whizbang features doesn’t make it first in the field.

I understand entirely what an invention is. And I know that you understand it too, which is why you constantly resort to lying about what I said and insults. Because you know the facts don’t back you up. The facts back me up. Apple is not an inventor of devices, they are an inventor of improvements. Which is great, improvements are a wonderful thing. But anybody thinking these markets wouldn’t exist without Apple, that Apple did the creating and everybody else is following is ignoring what came before Apple, who Apple is following.


93 posted on 05/02/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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