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It is legal to carry a rifle openly in Michigan. One does not need a reason to exercise a Constitutional right.

Many interesting comments at the link.

1 posted on 04/24/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

We’re the enemy, the terrorist...you can’t exercise a Constitutional right when it doesn’t exist...


2 posted on 04/24/2012 12:06:04 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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Did he have a dog with him? Did the cops shoot it?


3 posted on 04/24/2012 12:07:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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Gun laws in Michigan:

Rifles and Shotguns


4 posted on 04/24/2012 12:10:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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Disturbing the Peace. The most over-used and abused charge.


5 posted on 04/24/2012 12:11:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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Birmingham's a yuppie area, and not friendly to the 2nd Amendment.

Personally, I don't LIKE longgun carry, but from a legal standpoint, it's allowed, and should be allowed.

6 posted on 04/24/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
I grew up in a small Michigan town and carried guns into the local grocery store on many occasions simply because I was on my way to the woods at the edge of town.

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7 posted on 04/24/2012 12:17:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Ah, he’s lawyered up. Good for him. I expect this will be expensive for Birmingham...


8 posted on 04/24/2012 12:24:50 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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How does a slung rifle qualify as “brandishing” when you aren’t even holding it? As far as “obstructing an investigation”, there was no investigation until the cops obstructed this man’s freedom as a citizen to walk down a public street with a legal firearm. Bulls#it charges - throw a bunch of them against the wall and see what sticks.


12 posted on 04/24/2012 12:51:33 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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This is a story about the police. No commenting until ALL the facts are in.

/s

13 posted on 04/24/2012 12:52:02 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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They have him if he refused to show ID, I think.


14 posted on 04/24/2012 1:02:44 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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I saw a young woman in downtown Medford, Oregon on a mountain bike at a stop light with a pink-stocked AR-15 slung over her shoulder!

Now that’s “Right to Carry!”


15 posted on 04/24/2012 1:04:22 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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“charges of disturbing the peace, brandishing a weapon and obstructing an investigation”

Did he really “brandish” the gun, or did his open carrying suddenly become “brandishing” because the cop didn’t like him? Same thing goes for “disturbing the peace” or “obstructing an investigation.” Basically it depends on how the officer’s feeling that day. The judge’ll back him up, unless you have clear evidence to the contrary. Which, most likely, explains many cities’ crackdown on videotaping cops in public without their consent.

From “The Wire”:

“Let me let you in on a little secret, the patrolling officer on his beat is the one true dictatorship in America, we can lock a guy up on the humble, lock him up for real, or say fuck it and drink ourselves to death under the expressway and our side partners will cover us, No one - I mean no one - tells us how to waste our shift.”


16 posted on 04/24/2012 1:05:40 PM PDT by Tublecane
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M1 Garand rifle...for his 18th birthday.

Wow. Nice present.

18 posted on 04/24/2012 1:17:08 PM PDT by moovova
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It probably wasn't a great idea to carry an M-1 into town but it isn't always a bad idea either...

When I was a Marine Lieutenant in the late '70s, I bought an M-1 from a Gunner's Mate on the USS Dubuque on the way to a training exercise in California. I didn't have anyplace to store it at 29 Palms, so I decided to carry it by bus to my in-laws' house near L.A.. The problem was that even though I was in uniform, I didn't have a case for it, so I had to carry it in the open at sling arms. I also had an ammo box to carry, so I was really feeling conspicuous.

When I got to the L.A. bus station, I stood in a corner waiting for the next bus to take me to the San Fernando Valley and tried to stay out of the way. All of a sudden, a commotion broke out and the crowd opened up to give room to a fight between an LAPD officer and a taller, wiry African-American man. They were rolling around on the floor punching each other and I didn't see any sign of the officer's partner. I could also see two other men edging towards the two fighting, apparently getting ready to help the first guy fight the officer. The man on the ground with the officer tried to get the officer's pistol, so I stepped forward, opened the bolt on my M-1, and popped open the ammo can to pull out a clip.

Everything stopped at once: the men on the floor stopped punching, the two men approaching stopped where they were and everything went quiet. The cop on the floor started moving again and quickly cuffed the man he had been struggling with and his partner showed up and arrested to two other men. I returned the clip to the ammo box and closed the bolt of my rifle and the first cop - the one that had been fighting - came up to me and asked if I really was going to shoot. I told him that if that guy had gotten the pistol, I would have.

He looked at me for a second and then said "can I help you carry your rifle to your bus?". I was happy to let him carry it...

23 posted on 04/24/2012 1:27:15 PM PDT by Chainmail
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When I was his age, we could walk around with rifles, and the cops would wave at us.

Birmingham now is a little bigger than Statesboro then.

27 posted on 04/24/2012 1:48:20 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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Then, the pair was stopped by a police officer, who asked to see Combs' driver's license, Grabowski said. Combs declined, and moments later, two more officers arrived and arrested Combs as he reached to produce his identification, according to Grabowski.

18 USC § 241 - Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

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750.157a Conspiracy to commit offense or legal act in illegal manner; penalty.

Sec. 157a.

Any person who conspires together with 1 or more persons to commit an offense prohibited by law, or to commit a legal act in an illegal manner is guilty of the crime of conspiracy punishable as provided herein:

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c) and (d) if commission of the offense prohibited by law is punishable by imprisonment for 1 year or more, the person convicted under this section shall be punished by a penalty equal to that which could be imposed if he had been convicted of committing the crime he conspired to commit and in the discretion of the court an additional penalty of a fine of $10,000.00 may be imposed.

(b) Any person convicted of conspiring to violate any provision of this act relative to illegal gambling or wagering or any other acts or ordinances relative to illegal gambling or wagering shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment.

(c) If commission of the offense prohibited by law is punishable by imprisonment for less than 1 year, except as provided in paragraph (b), the person convicted under this section shall be imprisoned for not more than 1 year nor fined more than $1,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment.

(d) Any person convicted of conspiring to commit a legal act in an illegal manner shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment in the discretion of the court.

30 posted on 04/24/2012 1:58:51 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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This is great! These were teens insisting on their Constitutional rights. There’s hope after all.


35 posted on 04/24/2012 2:48:49 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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Dumb move by the kid only because Birmingham, Royal Oak and fashionable Ferndale are a bastion of liberal idiots........

He has every right to carry his rifle as he did..........why he chose to have it loaded is beyond me.

40 posted on 04/24/2012 4:43:07 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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“It is unlawful to possess a firearm in a financial institution, church, court, school, hospital, theater, sports arena, restaurant with a liquor or alcohol license or day care center.”

Interesting notes concerning MI infringement of our inherent rights endowed by our Creator. And like other “gun free feel good zones” — these ridiculous decrees will be ignored.


41 posted on 04/24/2012 4:49:02 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20120422/NEWS02/204220350

Why would he have a round in the chamber?

If that’s true, he will likely lose in court.

The police can always come up with a reason to have asked him for his ID, that no one will be able to question.

They could even say they just wanted to see if the boy was safely carrying the rifle.


46 posted on 04/24/2012 6:46:17 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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