Where Do Conservatives Go Now? Part 2 (Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party)

Conservative HQ ^ | 19 Apr 12 | Richard A. Viguerie

[lentulusgracchus]

If Romney were running as a Democrat there isn't even the remotest of chances that you would vote for the man. But now, because he's running against Obama, some entertain the thought. And what happens in 2016, when a member of Hamas runs as a Democrat and The Republican is only as bad as Obama?

I detect in your remarks the beginning of a conviction that we are being led in a sense both large and subtle, but while I think you are right, that the end destination isn't Hamas, but the destructive-labor camps of what one FReeper called "high Communism": Magadan, the mines, the death camps.

We need scholars, first, thinktanks with huge data-mining access, to begin to sort and compose data into information, to find out whether this image of guided leftward drift is so, and if so, what is the source. And then go kill it, since it is obviously a threat, if its workings have come this far.

For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn't see any possibility of Conservatives being elected.

This failure of leadership is not a failure of perception but a wilful failure, a refusal to take the lesson. That wilfulness reflects a steady intention that has nothing to do with our ideas of sucess, and everything to do with leading the electorate to the left. It's Fabianism, in other words.

[aruanan]

Where Do Conservatives Go Now? Part 2 (Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party)


The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.
That, my FRiend, is BRILLIANT.

Bullseye.

"Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party" is exactly what folks like George Soros are saying. You can bet some of the biggest supporters (probably even financially if you could dig deep enough) of conservative third parties are liberal Democrats and other leftists who have taken over the Democrat Party and are busily working to take over the Republican Party. They know that dividing the vote amongst a variety of "Hey, I'm more conservative than you cause I didn't vote for any Republican" nitwits is one their most effective ways to destroy their opposition and to solidify a hegemony.

Over the past thirty years they have taken control of one of the two largest political parties in a country where winner takes all in elections and are busily working to fracture the only opposition they have by encouraging conservatives to leave the Republican Party in the hands of RINOS rather than working to take it over as they, the Leftists, have taken over the Democrat Party. For those who say, "Well, I'm a proud member of the Constitution Party or the Declaration Party or the Conservative Party or the Southern Principled Conservative Party of Holy Ghost Fire on the Mountain Pre-Rapture Remnant of the Real Thing Party and someday we'll be big enough to replace the Republican Party, just like the Temperance Party or the Bull Moose Party did":

Doofuses: we don't live in a parliamentary system where representation is divided proportionally between the losers!

It's winner take all, baby, and the sooner you realize that and stop wasting time fighting like cats and Baptists to multiply the number of me-so-conservative parties the sooner you'll have turned back the liberal encroachment on the existing main opposition party to their main vehicle for political power, the Democrat Party, instead of complimenting yourself on just how wonderfully more conservative your loser party is going to be than the one you deliberately abandoned to leftist takeover.

"Hey, I don't like these liberal bumper stickers on this fully functioning vehicle or the places its driver is taking us, right? So, I've got, like, this great plan to deal with that, 'kay? Instead of tossing the driver out on his ass and getting some more appropriate body detailing and then driving it wherever we want to go, we're going to get out at the next corner, wag our fingers really hard at the driver as he speeds off, and then from scratch build our own new most perfectly conservative vehicle and, someday, maybe, enter that into the race! And won't that glorious day be, oh, so grand?"

And you think Jesus is going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant for refusing to take back the existing opposition party and, instead, throwing your vote to something that couldn't possibly defeat a known enemy because you thought being known as being a more nearly "true" conservative party than any other was more important than actually conserving and preserving the Republic against an ongoing enemy onslaught"?

Dream on.

[chessplayer]

The Conservative Cause is clearly served by an Obama re-election rather than a Romney win.

A Right leaning/Conservative Congress can easily remain united behind an Obama re-election....whereas the same Congress will be sliced and diced by the RINOS if Romney is in the White House.

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I knew it was only a matter of time before someone in here just came out and said they hope obama is re-elected.

[DNA.2012]

I’m no longer Republican because Romney is the nominee.

[chessplayer]

I think I would prefer to see Obama facing a republican congress that has the balls to remove him

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Another one hoping obama is re-elected. Are you people so naieve that you think a Republican controlled Congress will stop obama? Just a rhetorical question because you obviously are that naieve. Ever hear of EXECUTIVE FIAT??? Because thats just what obama would do. He would ignore Congress completely, with the full support of the donks in Congress. How many more conservatives in here are going to jump on the re-elect obama bandwagon?

[hattend]

I’ll make you a deal.

If Romney is the nominee, he beats Obama AND he, with a Conservative Congress at his side, drags us down the same road to hell as Obama, you have every right to rag on me all you want about how clear your crystal ball was. Be relentless...rip me apart.

If Obama gets reelected because of third party protest, write in, or staying home and he CONTINUES down his known road to hell based on his history the last 4 years, not because of some guess of what he MIGHT do, I will do the same to you.

FRiend

[chessplayer]

if conservatives are the instruments causing Obama to have four more years,

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Then we deserve EVERYTHING he does. I’m now totally convinced that a great many “conservatives” in here will vote for obama.

[Thorliveshere]

EVERYONE is “in a precinct”....do you recruit like minded PCP’s? Do you participate in finding good candidates? Do you fund things that help the individuals you support? Do you help find and then vote for the conservatives in your precinct/county, whatever? YES!!! I DO!! And look what good that is doing...we've got dumb*** Romney! Time to part our ways with the power-sucking Republicans. Time to repeat history, and like the Whigs, sweep them away.

[Windflier]

By voting against Obama, my personal honor and integrity will be fine. My wife and dog will still love me.

Sure they will, but will you?

[hattend]

Sure they will, but will you?

Sure, why wouldn't I?

[bigoil]

Your TEA Party Independent ticket for 2012:

Sarah Palin for President.

Rand Paul for Vice-President.

‘Get in the fast lane Grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll.’

[Windflier]

Sure, why wouldn't I?

Here's why:

"If Romney were running as a Democrat there isn't even the remotest of chances that you would vote for the man. But now, because he's running against Obama, some entertain the thought. And what happens in 2016, when a member of Hamas runs as a Democrat and The Republican is only as bad as Obama? Do we then vote for the mirror image of him?

Look folks, at some point we have to let the (R) party know, that they have jumped the shark, and we can no longer support what they want us to. You see, if we don't, we'll forever be voting for McCains, Romneys, and worse of their ilk.

If they can get a Leftist like Romney elected, it's effectively the end of Conservatism. No Conservative will ever get the nomination again. Should that be our goal? No."

Freeper Doughty One @
Dear President Ronald Wilson Reagan, My Party Left Me Too...

[gogogodzilla]

Support Small Government, Constitutional Conservative Candidates

All the Free Republic talk about this is very hypocritical, considering the vitrol and depravity hurled against the candidate that actually embodied this ideal the most during the primary, ie: Rick Perry.

That was the perfect case of the rhetoric here *NOT* matching the reality. And the reality is that the Free Republic is not conservative, but only *TALKS* conservative. When it comes time to walk the walk, it doesn't happen.

[Finny]

My post, that only looking at Obama's record and not looking at Romney's record was a stupid way to vote, must have really stung you with its truth.

"I'll make you a deal." *rolls eyes*

Try READING some of the reasoned arguments so many thoughtful patriots have posted here and THINKING ABOUT THEM instead of knee-jerk reacting according to party affiliation instead of RECORD. Romney is ON RECORD as being on the statist, liberal side of ALL FIVE MAJOR ISSUES. Voting for him is as nuts as voting for Obama.

You're willing to make a "deal with the devil," Romney, in order to avoid Obama. A deal with the devil is always a losing proposition.

[conservativebuckeye]

Thank you for being a voice of reason on this thread. If Obama gets re-elected, it won’t matter one bit who controls Congress because Obama will just issue one executive order after another and the feckless Republicans will do nothing to stop it. It’s disheartening that even on this site, people don’t really get what Obama is truly all about.

[Finny]

In other words, you are advocating the embrace of Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I've already voted the way you think is smart. I"ve been voting that way for quite awhile now, and things only keep getting worse. Read and ponder DoughtyOne's post #38.

You are very much confused and mistaken if you think this is about wanting to be perceived as "more conservative than thou."

Romney is ON RECORD as promoting and furthering:
-- State-run health care
-- Cap-and-trade global warming eco tyranny
-- Taxpayer subsidized abortion on demand, cheap
-- Appointment of activist liberal judges
-- Forcing people to accept open homosexuality in the military, their kids' schools, their workplaces, and virtually every corner of their lives

This isn't about "Hey, I'm more conservative than you and that's why I reject Romney." This is about realizing that Romney IS THE ANTITHESIS OF CONSERVATIVE and that a conservative who votes FOR him is voting to destroy the Republican party as a vehicle for conservatism, and is voting against his own and America's interest.

[Finny]

If all Obama has to do is issue executive orders, why doesn't he just do it before the Nov. elections? HMMMMMMM????

You are willfully squeezing your eyes shut to what Romney is all about, because Obama has you so shivering in fear that you're pissing your pants and willing to vote FOR a Republican who is ON RECORD as promoting the same positions on the major issues as Obama. That is a NUTTY way to vote.

Blind, abject panic makes people do nutty things.

[conservativebuckeye]

I don’t know how you can call yourself a conservative and not have an emotional dislike of Obama. You even admit that Obama and the Democrats aren’t your enemy. If you don’t view Obama, Pelosi, Durbin, etc as your enemies then I can’t help you. I detest those people to the very core of my being. I can’t drum up that same hatred for Mitt Romney. Do I think he’d make a good President? It’s highly unlikely, but I don’t think he hates this country the way Obama does. I don’t think Romney reveres the Constitution, but I don’t think he hates it the way Obama does. The fact is Obama HATES America, HATES the Constitution, HATES you, and HATES me. Romney is merely indifferent about those things. The fact is if Obama is re-elected, it won’t matter who controls Congress because he will rule by Executive Fiat. My guess is he will set the stage for race riots which will lead to martial law. He will have complete control of our bank accounts and complete control over the Internet and talk radio. I haven’t even discussed the damage he will do to our national security. You might be on the back nine of life, but some of us are just getting started and can’t afford to allow Obama another four years.

[conservativebuckeye]

He’s not going to do those things before the election because Romney would destroy him. He’s going to do it once he has a second term and no longer has to face the American people. I’ve got news for you. Obama isn’t your garden variety Democrat. He’s a Marxist anti-colonialist to his core. Romney has no core, which means at worst, he’ll be wrong 60% of the time. I’ll take 30-40% of what I want with Romney as opposed to 3-4% of what I want with Obama. It’s simple math. You know, it’s really easy to act like a tough guy hiding behind a computer screen. If Obama’s thugs come to put you away in the next 4 years, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[Tribune7]

Perry was my guy. The attacks on him were bizarre. It was like second graders on the playgound.