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Mitt Romney caught on "hidden camera" (Mitt, Mormons, and Abortion Flip-Flops)
www.youtube.com ^ | Dec 12, 2011 | Youtube

Posted on 04/13/2012 2:50:30 PM PDT by FR_addict

Youtube video where Romney explains his and the Mormon Church's views on abortion.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; romney; romney4gopliar; romney4goploser; romney4gopposer; romney4obamacare; romney4romney; romney4romneycare; romneyexposed; romneytheliar
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To: ladymac
Leaving the top spot blank is as good as voting for Obama.

You all are telling us to vote for Romney because he has an (R) next to his name when a vote for a liberal with an (R) next to his name is still a vote for a liberal.

Don't tell us that we HAVE to pick a pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage socialist from Massachusetts over a pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage socialist from Chicago.

A lot of us are Christians and Conservatives and you all have a lot of nerve asking us to violate our principles to pick one liberal over another liberal.

Supporting a liberal like Romney, you know what message that sends to the GOP establishment? That tells them that we are going to keep on bending over and spreading wide for them no matter what kind of scumbag they push upon us. You think Romney is a liberal, just wait until 2016 or 2020 when the GOP establishment shoves an even more liberal RINO at us. Since 1988, they have done nothing but shove RINOs at us, with each one more and more liberal and more and more Big Government, and Romney is the worst, but if we support him, he will pale next to RINOs of the future.

If we don't take a stand now, we will never take as stand.
41 posted on 04/13/2012 4:20:38 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: JCBreckenridge

You can’t make the mistake of applying national poll numbers to particular state contests. New York and Texas will have very different vote spreads.

The possibility is more to deny Romney the nomination, not to have Newt win outright. So votes going to Paul isn’t the worst thing that can happen.

With 11 days to go until the next primary, a lot of things can change too. I just hope Santorum doesn’t re-endorse Romney in the primary. That would be enough to make me never support him for any position again.


42 posted on 04/13/2012 4:21:42 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: ladymac

So you are OK with replacing a Democrat commie with a RINO one as long as he has a R after his name?

Ignoring the fact that he will implement many of the same bad ideas as the current commie. Yes, we must have the Republican commie in there so that we can share equal blame for messing up the country by compromising our conservative beliefs to the establishment who wants us to bow down to them and do as they say.

After all, we work for them now, not them for us.

Pathetic.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 4:23:51 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: usacon
Hi, RomneyBOT. Are you a dog abuser, like your Master?

Romney's bad behavior Exposed by Seamus

"Romney Loses Nomination Over Dog Abuse? -
Romney was traveling that summer with his wife, five sons,
and Seamus to his parent's cottage on Lake Huron.
But hours into the ride, Seamus apparently suffered diarrhea,
which ran down the back window of the car.
David Kravitz wrote on BlueMassGroup, a liberal blog.
"It also strikes me as classic Romney:
it solves a problem efficiently, in a business-like manner,
and with no regard whatsoever for the suffering
that the solution may cause."

"But the details of the event are more than unseemly
- they may, in fact, be illegal.
Massachusetts's animal cruelty laws
specifically prohibit anyone from carrying an animal
"in or upon a vehicle, or otherwise,
in an unnecessarily cruel or inhuman manner
or in a way and manner which might endanger
the animal carried thereon.

"An officer for the Massachusetts Society
for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals responded
to a description of the situation saying
"it's definitely something I'd want to check out."
The officer, Nadia Branca, declined to give
a definitive opinion on whether Romney broke the law
but did note that it's against state law to have a dog
in an open bed of a pick-up truck, and
"if the dog was being carried in a way that endangers it,
that would be illegal."


"Dog on Roof? What Was It Like for Romney's Pooch?
- Scientists Say Dog Likely Experienced Wind-
Whipped, Uncomfortable Trip -
"Before beginning the drive, Mitt Romney put Seamus,
the family's hulking Irish setter, in a dog carrier and
attached it to the station wagon's roof rack.
e'd built a windshield for the carrier, to make
the ride more comfortable for the dog,
".. Jordan Kaplan, the owner of Petaholics,
a dog walking service in New York City,
and a lifelong dog owner and dog lover,
said Romney's actions were uncalled for"


"Romney's dog - This is a distinction Mitt Romney
probably could do without, but he is surely
the first presidential candidate to be attacked
for putting a dog with diarrhea
in a carrier and tying it to the top of a station wagon.
Romney's defense: Seamus liked it.
[like the citizens under Romney's RomneyCARE, etc.?] "


"As the oldest son, Tagg Romney commandeered
the way-back of the wagon, keeping his eyes fixed out the rear window,
where he glimpsed the first sign of trouble.
''Dad!'' he yelled. ''Gross!''
A brown liquid was dripping down the back window,
payback from an Irish setter who'd been riding
on the roof in the wind for hours.
As the rest of the boys joined in the howls of disgust,
Romney coolly pulled off the highway and into a service station.
There, he borrowed a hose, washed down Seamus
and the car, then hopped back onto the highway."

"Story about dog on car roof comes back to bite Romney - 200 comments from readers complaining of animal cruelty"

44 posted on 04/13/2012 4:47:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ladymac

Romney attacked Gov. Palin’s handicapped children
to make Obama POTUS in 2008.

You really like that?

Would you have made Benedict Arnold POTUS, too?


45 posted on 04/13/2012 4:48:25 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: JediJones

Well he will be. Our only choice. It’s going to be another hold your nose and vote. Well not quite that bad. There is absolutely no other alternative now. If you want Bam out of there Mitt is our only available tool. This is what separates republicans from democrats. They feel we analyze facts and act.


46 posted on 04/13/2012 4:50:55 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: JediJones

Here’s the problem. Gingrich was at 20 percent when Mississippi and Alabama rolled around.

Gingrich is now at 12 percent. Romney was at 33, and is now at 46.

So Romney has strengthened 13 points while Gingrich has lost 8.

Gingrich needs to be at 20 percent in order to be competitive to Romney when he is at 33 percent in the South. Gingrich at 12, will only get about double that, 24 percent in the Southern states, which isn’t going to be enough to overcome Romney at 46, who will probably get about 35 in the South.

So I would say TX is 35-30-24-12, right now with Santorum at 30, and Gingrich at 24.

If Santorum support breaks 30/30/20, it ends up with 35(+8), 24(+11), 12(+11), or 43 - 35 - 23.

Romney’s up by about 8 in TX based on those national numbers. This is very bad news for Gingrich at this point, because it assumes that all of Santorum’s support moves over.


47 posted on 04/13/2012 4:52:22 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JediJones

I’d like to restate that. The difference between a conservative and a liberal not democrat and republican if you catch my drift.


48 posted on 04/13/2012 4:53:25 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Here is the problem.

Romney is a CHEAT. He “votes” and “polls”
are fabricated because he PAYS for them.

Romney cannot win. Dog abuser and backstabber karma.


49 posted on 04/13/2012 4:58:50 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Romney may be your “tool” but frankly your,
and his sexual interests and fascism are NOT of interest.

NO ROMNEY. NO RINOS. NO ROMNEYCARE. NO LIARS.


50 posted on 04/13/2012 5:00:11 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

If enough people have that attitude we’ll get 4 more years of Obama with a 40% winning percentage in electorial votes.

40% - Obama
40% - Romney
20% - Some other underfunded understaffed guy.

Remember Ross Perot brought us Bill Clinton.


51 posted on 04/13/2012 5:05:27 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Remember: Team Romney brought America Obama.

Team Romney works with Soros (JET Blue).

Romney is a DNC poser willing to say ANYTHING.


52 posted on 04/13/2012 5:11:50 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Time to put ideology aside. We’ve had enough. He’s the only soldier willing and able to go to battle against the demon spawn.


53 posted on 04/13/2012 5:13:26 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Jack Burton007; Colofornian
No thanks man. There is NO lesser of two evils here. Just to evils of a different pigmentation.

YEAR Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'
Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation Ann Romney, 2011: In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)
Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...”my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007) So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've “never changed” re: abortion and that they've “always been pro-life,” but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: “I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice”...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was “always for life.”
Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
1994 (Campaign) "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)
1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/">Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
2002-2004 “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)
2005 May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine

H/T Colofornian

54 posted on 04/13/2012 5:21:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: Diogenesis

What does one stand to gain from such a weird obsession?


55 posted on 04/13/2012 5:21:33 PM PDT by usacon (United we stand divided we fall.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Well he will be. Our only choice. It’s going to be another hold your nose and vote. Well not quite that bad.

I've never felt I had to hold my nose and vote for a Republican president before. There was enough I liked about every one that I felt they would be far and away better than the Democrat, would be good for the country, would be good for the party, and were not the worst possible choice available. I'm not that picky and don't expect 100% conservative compliance in a candidate.

So you know Romney's got problems if I'm dead set against supporting him. This is a RINO beyond anything we've ever seen before and a uniquely unappealing candidate. Having a history that's on the wrong side of social issues like abortion and homosexual marriage is almost certainly a dealbreaker for me. If he was simply a libertarian, then maybe I could hold my nose and vote for him, but his big-government, progressive economic record rules that out.

There is absolutely no other alternative now. If you want Bam out of there Mitt is our only available tool.

He's some kind of tool, alright.

Your energy is misdirected. Try convincing voters in the remaining 20 primary states to not vote for Mitt before you try to convince Freepers to vote for him in the general election. My primary's up on April 24th and I won't be voting for Mitt or our state party's OTHER hand-picked limousine liberal Republican Senator wannabe, Steve Welch.

56 posted on 04/13/2012 5:40:17 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

and hope that we have the courage to change what we can change and the wisdom to accept what we cannot change.

Bam’s gotta go. End of story in my book.


57 posted on 04/13/2012 5:45:02 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I have a feeling that some Romneybot is going to get the ZOT.

I held my nose for McCain and that worked out so well for us. The establishment figured they got us to do it then so we would do it now.

You might not have any morals or spine, but don’t tell us that we need to sell out like you.

You’re the kind of voter that gave us McCain and Romney. Both will result in Obama getting 4 more years.

As far as I am concerned about you FU.


58 posted on 04/13/2012 5:49:01 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: usacon

Standing up for the unborn is a ‘weird obsession’? He’s spot on here.


59 posted on 04/13/2012 6:13:55 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: derekr44
There is an LDS Establishment as much as there is a GOP Establishment.

A pet agenda item of the LDS Establishment is to maintain databases of personal information. They want to manage Big Brother. Romney would be a tool for that. He publicly supports a National ID Card, for example.

In related news, the NSA's Utah Data Center (a domestic surveillance center that is alleged to replace functionality of the "Total Information Awareness" program) goes fully operational in 2013. They supposedly will track your emails, web searches, phone conversations, credit card usage, FR posts, etc.

60 posted on 04/13/2012 6:58:39 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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