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Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | April 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!

No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!

NO ROMNEY!!

Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.

FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!

We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!

I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!

FUMR!! FUGOP!!

Long live the rebellion!!

Hope my message is clear.


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To: Politicalmom

“Oh, so YOU get to choose what “namecalling” is, right?”
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Oh no... since I do not resort to name-calling, I’ll gladly defer to your expertise on the subject.


561 posted on 04/12/2012 1:01:03 AM PDT by navydad
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To: Norm Lenhart
I keep hearing more and more conservative and tea party supporters endorsing Romney. Both Palin and Newt said they will support the GOP candidate.

I keep hearing vote local, state, all for conservatives. But I bet 80- 90% of those people will endorse the GOP candidate who will be Romney over Obama. So do we then throw them out to and let the Dems take over everything? Because that seems the logical conclusion. How can I vote for all of these unprincipled people if they endorse Romney? Or does endorsing Romney immediately convert you to a RINO, despite your life's work as a Conservative?

562 posted on 04/12/2012 1:01:12 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: philman_36; Norm Lenhart; Jim Robinson

You’re wanting to go off the cliff at 70 instead of 100. You aren’t even wanting to slam on the brakes which is what’s needed.


With all due respect you just described the GOP I know and hate. They have been heading 70mph instead of 100 and that won’t change no matter who we elect. I have said that for years and I have always been an optimist. Truthfully, we are screwed. If Newt were elected and he cut entitlement spending even 10% he would be voted out in 4 years. The mid-term election would see the GOP massacred just like the rats took it on the chin in 2010. That is the country we live in.

I don’t trust Mitt Romney and doubt that he is a conservative. I also believe that we have only seen glimpses of what Obama would become with a second term and it is an indisputable fact that he will probably nominate at least one SCOTUS Justice if not three. This President has been a complete disaster in every area of executive responsibility.

I have 3 young children and despite my pessimistic attitude about the direction of our nation it is my obligation as their father to try and exert the only realistic influence I have to make things better for them. I can do this by pragmatically choosing the lesser of two evils with the sincere hope that we may preserve the slim 5-4 majority in SCOTUS that we now rely on to thwart the progressives (including many in the GOP-e).

Let me lay out three examples for you -

DC vs Heller - 2nd Amendment 2008 - we won 5-4 - our right to own firearms for purposes of defense was decided by one vote

Casey vs Planned Parenthood 1992 - we lost the issue of abortion 5-4 - a blight on our nation

Gonzalez vs Carhart - Partial Birth Abortion 2007 - we won 5-4 to uphold a law against this sickness

Assuming that Romney even appointed moderate Judges like Kennedy - that would be light years beyond another Kagan type Judge

Obamacare - the largest power grab attempt by the Federal government since the New Deal is possibly going to be decided 5-4

Here are some examples of issues that will probably be in court if Obama gets another 4 years and all of us could probably add additional issues and these are not trivial -

The Fairness Doctrine - the biggest attack on the 1st Amendment in our nations history.... lose that and say goodbye to this website. The left really wants this.

The EPA and Environmental Fascism - Obama has already shown he will use government agencies to promote fascism in the name of climate change - the major obstacle? It’s not the voters and it’s not the GOP... it’s the courts. Think it’s bad that the government can tell us what lightbulbs to use? Just wait until they get the 5th vote!

Private 401k’s, IRA’s, and retirement funds - the left is already talking about the government taking over these funds “to manage them”. We will all work for government if they do this and right now it is probably a 5-4 vote. I believe this administration would consider nationalizing the banks far beyond what they already have... why not? Government motors anyone?

Obamacare - if he loses it (I think he will) they will go to work on another version and the court will be more favorable the next time.

These are some of the reasons I will vote against Obama for the sake of my children. SCOTUS provides the ultimate veto for unconstitutional behavior by government and it is one heartbeat away from being changed forever.

Our founders were pragmatic men who understood how fragile our republic would be. I have studied them quite a bit recently and have an even larger appreciation of their vision when they wrote the constitution. The only thing that is currently saving us is not the GOP... it’s the courts.

Furthermore, I believe our economy is not bulletproof and it could collapse if we do not get control of our progressive spending. If this happens, it is the courts that might determine the limits of executive branch authority. Our freedom may come down to one vote.

It’s nice to say you are an “all or nothing conservative” but that does not reflect reality. Like it or not.... there are two choices. Reasoned debate is the cornerstone of conservatism because our ideas are correct and that is what this community should reflect. All of these unkind comments against other FReepers for facing reality with reason and concern for our nation do not promote the kind of healthy debate I came to this site for many years ago.

I would love to have the perfect Conservative candidate who could convince half our nation that wealth redistribution is evil and leads to fascism. I would love to run my car on unicorn farts and pixie dust too. Our hopes and dreams are often shattered by reality. Face it, half our nation are already wards of the state. When the boomers all retire that number will climb even further.

All this belief that a conservative on a white horse will save us is not going to happen FRiend. Sorry, that is just my opinion, but I believe it is a reasoned and logical observation given our current circumstances. I don’t believe Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Reagan rolled into one could convince our fellow citizens of the need to sacrifice for the sake of future generations.

I don’t like it. I don’t feel good about it. I don’t want it to be that way. I am so convinced that our difficulties will get much worse that I sold a beautiful home in the city and moved out to the country to start a hobby farm for my family. I wanted to be prepared to care for them if our illusion of America shatters. I want my young children to learn how to garden, tend livestock, and survive without the things we take for granted. I pray we won’t have to, but I felt like it was my duty as their father. I bust my butt working long hours and make the longer drive home to bust my butt building a hobby farm. It has not been easy, but I am glad we did it. That is the choice my wife and I made examining the reality of our national situation.

You are free to choose but don’t call me names for doing the same. I believe that freedom hangs by one Supreme Court vote right now. Not many Americans before me could say that. We are in deep trouble and it will take generations to fix. I fear that too many of our fellow citizens don’t have the guts to make the hard choices so our politicians in both parties will just keep smiling and telling us that everything is alright. Romney will probably do the same, but I know Obama will definitely do that and make it worse.

Vote for whomever you choose. I should be free to share my reasoning with this community to uphold the principles of conservatism as I see it. Me and Jim Robinson will be dead and gone when my children have to live with the consequences of the decisions we make today.

Don’t even bother to call me a romneybott. Don’t bother to try and convince me that Romney is just as bad as Obama. I won’t be bullied because I care more about my kids than a bunch of groupthink on a web forum. I shared a reasoned opinion with you and it deserves more than name calling. If I get banned for voting anyone but Obama... so be it. I wish all of you luck and God bless. Choose wisely, my children are counting on you!


563 posted on 04/12/2012 1:01:36 AM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: vmivol00; Jim Robinson
What is this “Romneywhore” crap you keep posting?

I will assure you that NO FREEPER has yet cast a Vote for Romney in the Primaries. In fact, NO FREEPER will Vote for Romney in the remaining Primary Elections even if he is the only Republican on the Ballot.

If I am wrong, then I will resign my FReeper Commission.

Since NO FREEPER has yet Voted for Romney, what is point of this thread? By the time November rolls around, some here who would never Vote for Romney might have a change of heart when Obama goes one step too far. Everyone has their limit.

By the same token, those here that say they will Vote for Romney against Obama may choose not to by the time November rolls around. Who knows?

Full disclosure, I am one of those who follows the Mark Levin rule of "Anybody But Obama". Again, I have many months to reconsider my choice, unless this thread is the beginning of a Purge. If so, Jim can do what he feels is best for Free Republic. It looks to me that FReepers are at a stalemate on this issue and Jim is the deciding Vote. Those that disagree with Jim can take their Opinions and Donations to another site once an ACTUAL Vote for Romney has occurred this November. Doing so beforehand is self defeating for this Forum IMHO. This is turning into the Hatfields and McCoys, or should I say the Martins and the Zimmermans?

Both sides seem to be wasting their time trying to convince the other side, but I thought this site was here to discuss the issues, not follow one “group think” train of thought until the bitter end. If that was the case, there would be no point to it.

It's late and I apologize for rambling on. As they say, just my .02...

564 posted on 04/12/2012 1:07:57 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: volunbeer

Excellent post, agree 100%!


565 posted on 04/12/2012 1:09:15 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: volunbeer

“I can do this by pragmatically choosing the lesser of two evils”

So, to rephrase this, you choose to vote for evil. The road is wide....


566 posted on 04/12/2012 1:11:07 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: volunbeer

Best post of the whole thread! Bravo!


567 posted on 04/12/2012 1:11:21 AM PDT by navydad
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To: Arthur McGowan
I don’t see how it is prudent or virtuous to refuse to vote at all when a RINO is the only alternative to a Communist

Did Newt drop out? I didn't get the memo.

568 posted on 04/12/2012 1:13:24 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: philman_36

I don’t want to hear $h1t about giving the election to Obama from the same SOBs who wanted us to get behind Crist, Castle, and Scozafava.

They had their chance to make common cause with the REAL Americans. Now let them eat what falls from the democrat’s table while we feast on their asses!


569 posted on 04/12/2012 1:14:28 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Norm Lenhart
I say we write in Palin, whether she wants it orr not and push/publicize that campaign as a protest.

My thoughts, exactly.

570 posted on 04/12/2012 1:18:58 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,
Please re-read my post, I don’t advocate for Romney at all. I advocate for whoever runs against Obama. We are simply in the same position as 2008 again. It is Obama or the GOP guy, whoever he eventually is. That is all... btw I was whiterhino before the acronym rhino was popular. I dislike political rhinos extremely.


571 posted on 04/12/2012 1:20:49 AM PDT by whiterhino
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To: navydad
Unfortunately, most here are oblivious to that reality and simply cannot see it. They somehow think they will ride on into the sunset heroically jousting at windmills for eternity.

No, we are not oblivious to that. We know better than anyone, you included, that we are going to be shafted, robbed, killed like everyone else. If you want to draw a distinction, here it is: the boot-lickers and compromisers deserve it. We don't.

572 posted on 04/12/2012 1:21:56 AM PDT by jammer
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To: vmivol00

Wow, name calling now?

Please re-read my post, I don’t advocate for Romney at all. I advocate for whoever runs against Obama. We are simply in the same position as 2008 again. It is Obama or the GOP guy, whoever he eventually is. That is all... btw I was whiterhino before the acronym rhino was popular. I dislike political rhinos extremely.


573 posted on 04/12/2012 1:25:02 AM PDT by whiterhino
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To: Jim Robinson

I will pass out flyers for Mitt if he is the nominee.

I will pass out flyers for Jimmy Carter if he wins the GOP nomination!


574 posted on 04/12/2012 1:25:47 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: volunbeer

SCOTUS! You have possibly given the only possible rationale for voting for Romney the RINO with this major caveat:

The seats of Ginsberg and Breyer, the most likely to go are liberal anyway. What guarantee do we have that Romney would nominate a true Constitutional conservative to the court? What kind of judges did he appoint in Mass? Do we have any idea what Romney’s judicial philosophy is?


575 posted on 04/12/2012 1:26:14 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: volunbeer

May your chains rest lightly....

I’d rather fight the tyrants, than reward professional Republicans for maneuvering me into a corner.


576 posted on 04/12/2012 1:28:22 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: NoLibZone

Wouldn’t doubt it. Proving that RINOS are worthless.


577 posted on 04/12/2012 1:30:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Cincinna

SCOTUS! You have possibly given the only possible rationale for voting for Romney the RINO with this major caveat:

...Do we have any idea what Romney’s judicial philosophy is?


I’m afraid we do, and it’s not good.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868227/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868226/posts

One of the ways we could see absolutely no difference between Romney and Obama.


578 posted on 04/12/2012 1:36:52 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: pops88

“I can do this by pragmatically choosing the lesser of two evils”

So, to rephrase this, you choose to vote for evil. The road is wide....


The question of the thread right here. Moral absolutist or moral objectivist?

The absolutists won’t vote. The objectivists will vote against Obama.

I am a moral objectivist. Life often requires us to make choices where there is no right answer. Yes, I try to choose the lesser of two evils and I thank God every day that his grace washes over me.


579 posted on 04/12/2012 1:37:16 AM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t see pragmatism as rebellion. I also see nothing wrong in trying to convince people that staying home if one does not get their ideal candidate, especially with what we have on the line, is a “rebellion.

Since it is your forum you certainly can call the shots and terminate anyone who thinks differently then do you. But wouldn’t that be doing exactly what the Left does?


580 posted on 04/12/2012 1:41:43 AM PDT by getgo
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