The Talk: Nonblack Version

Taki's Magazine ^ | April 5, 2012 | John Derbyshire

[reaganaut1]

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There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths.

[TomasUSMC]

Whites need the Courage to FIGHT BACK.

Patrick Buchanan’s “Suicide of a Superpower” come the FBI’s crime figures for 2007: “Blacks committed 433,934 violent crimes against whites, eight times as many as the 55,685 that whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black-on-white, with 14,000 assaults on white women by African-American males in 2007. Not one case of white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.” (Page 243)

Thats around 1200 attacks on whites EVERY DAY. 50 an hour. ONE ATTACK EVERY 72 SECONDS.

If Canadians were attacking Americans 1000 times a day, there would a a war going on. Fight back or be defeated.

[TomasUSMC]

the children of Vietnamese boat people wo arrived here with nothing, grew up to be valedictorians.

WORTH REPEATING

[kiryandil]

Lowry, Ponnoru and Goldberg all published the required denunciations within hours.

"Lowry, Ponnoru and Goldberg, all good little Progressive Narrative lickspittles, published the required denunciations within hours."

Fixed it for ya.

[kiryandil]

“There are only two races of men: the decent and the indecent.” —Viktor Frankl, survivor, Nazi conecentration camps

May the names of Raoul Wallenberg, John Rabe, Chiune Sugihara and Yukiko Sugihara never be forgotten.

http://chgs.umn.edu/museum/exhibitions/rescuers/savingDiplomats.html

[kiryandil]

I guess the intimidation of what was our "free press" side is now the order of the day. I just can't fathom the accelerating fear of telling ANY truth in a very short period. It was eligibility and now it's everything else! I guess that because the election is getting closer, the very serious threats must be mounting.

Can't figure out why Rich Lowry didn't "man up" for the Progressives and do an NBC on Derbyshire.

You know, string together a bunch of heavily-edited quotes from the Derbyshire article that made John look like a 1905 Alabama Grand Kleagle of the KKK....

[Jim Noble]

Thanks for the correction.

[Albion Wilde]

First of all, I have never been mugged by any one, black, white, brown, yellow, red or anything in between.

Here's my record: two home invasions-- one a robbery when I was out and the other foiled by my screaming when someone came in through the front window, one mugging on the street, one gunpoint mugging in my car when stopped at a cross street, and three robberies from our home by neighborhood kids we were trying to mentor. All black on white.

We finally had to give up on trying to mentor, innocent as they were when little. As soon as they hit 12, forget it. When I went to talk to their mother about the stealing, she said, "What do you want me to do about it?" (Indignance.)

I said, "You're their mother. You can teach them not to steal, that it may lead to a life of crime and imprisonment. I've explained that to them, but it would mean more coming from you."

Her reply: "Do what I do -- put them out of your house."

[Mrs. Don-o]

#1 the FR thread on Derbyshire's original article.

The original article is here at Taki's magazine, if you can get it to load correctly. It's been a busy, busy site, and yes, it's because of this article..

[USAF80]

I don’t know about that. I can only tell from personal observations. In the staging areas I saw mainly whites. I have no idea what fields the troops were in as I was not forward located.

If you check the services demographics it does mirror the US as a whole. There may be a percentage point or two off.

[Matchett-PI]

You wrote: “...I don’t know enough about Derbyshire to have an intelligent comment on his views. However, I believe Jim Robinson and the community of those of us who post on Free Republic need to make **ABSOLUTELY** clear that Free Republic does **NOT** support racism. ...”

Per your (and others’ comments) here: http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rSswjxHR

You wrote:

Darrell Todd Maurina 14 hours ago http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/#comment-490996065

I’m a Freeper and have been a member of Free Republic since 2006.

I have a real problem with what the Atlantic said here: “Derbyshire doesn’t do the really obvious racist stuff — the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example — like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose. Instead, he talks about how his East African parentage means he might be suspect to some black voters, who are more likely to be of West African heritage.” The Atlantic provides numerous links to various things Derbyshire has written, going back at least four years, with links, that don’t sound very good.I don’t know enough about Derbyshire to have an intelligent comment on his views. However, I strongly object to the claim that Free Republic supports racism.Maybe I’ve been lucky but I simply haven’t run into a lot of the “bad blacks” that some people like to talk about. I’ve seen some, but not many, and I know from firsthand experience that even in high-crime areas, most residents are basically decent people who have been intimidated into a code of silence. That’s coming from someone who, back when I was in college and graduate school, was living in the inner city and was attending a church that was in the process of successfully changing from predominantly white to predominantly black. Once my neighbors and fellow church members got to know me, they decided “he’s okay” and I had no more issues.Yes, I take precautions when in an area where I’m one of the few white people, but I’d do the same in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood, and my Italian ancestors would have done the same in a predominantly Irish neighborhood, and a hundred years ago walking into a neighborhood full of “wops” and “dagos” would have scared the living daylights out of many WASPS.It’s not just blacks and Hispanics who get this treatment. When I walk around in Korea, I have to be careful not to hold my wife’s hand, and I always have to wear a suit and tie in public, because otherwise people to look down on her as a “race-mixer” of questionable morality. That’s reality; I don’t like it, but I have to deal with it — there are lots of cultures where white people are looked down on as immoral wicked people whose goal is to “knock up” innocent Asian women.Bottom line: if you act like and dress like a gangbanger, you’ll get treated like one. Act and dress like a professional, and most (not all but most) people will treat you like a decent human being.

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ellid 2 hours agoin reply to Darrell Todd Maurina
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/#comment-491547911

Given the average level of the comment threads on your fine little website, I find this comment about as believable as the 1938 broadcast about Martians landing in New Jersey.

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Joel Jacobson 14 hours ago in reply to goat10000 http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/#comment-490952555

I have never posted at FR. But I have heard of people posting race-realist comments at FR and being banned within an hour.

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bttt

[kiryandil]

http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/04/john-derbyshires-talk.html

Mirrored here.

[kiryandil]

Racist crap has NEVER been tolerated at Free Republic, from the very beginning.

I remember when the Ant and the Grasshopper (revised) would get ZOTTED weekly for a while there.

Much of it was probably Democrat sockpuppets trying to smear Free Republic during the impeachment wars.

I guess they pretended it "stuck", much like they're pretending that Trayvon was a 13-year-old boy...

Gotta love The Progressive Narrative.

[Matchett-PI]

"Racist crap has NEVER been tolerated at Free Republic, from the very beginning."

Since I've been here almost from day one, I can definitely vouch for that. bttt

[Albion Wilde]

I read all your links to the articles about black parents having “the talk” with their kids. Each reflects a naive idealism, that life should be fair and if there are misunderstandings, their kids are the victims of ill-intentioned whites.

It may surprise, but as a white family, we have had “a talk” with our son. It enumerated many of the new dangers in this world, and our hopes that he would behave discreetly so as to avoid being arrested, having his education or emotional life wrecked by unmarried sex or an unwanted pregnancy, or ruining his credit and personal reputation. It’s something every good parent should do; it’s not Mayberry anymore, and his white skin or expensive education may not protect him if he messes up.

Having raised him in the city with plenty of diverse neighbors of every walk of life, his own observations and having been mugged when he was 12 by black kids, he has developed his own cautions in the streets — yet we were proud to note that his group of friends has always included people of many races and backgrounds.

Raising kids well is hard work. Those who are unmotivated will always be looking for someone else to blame. My own experience as the “first woman” in corporate management, and in this, that and the other thing in the 60s and 70s, has taught me that the pecking order exists even among white men of privilege. No matter how much things hurt in business or social life, they may not be intended as personal.

There is no free lunch. If someone is picking on you or putting you down, no matter how unfair, it’s a sign that you need to bring your game — or else find a different game better suited to your skill level. I have experienced many gender- and now age-related incidents of discrimination by other whites. It doesn’t make me hate men, other whites or anyone at all. Something more blacks need to realize — it’s not always about skin color. It’s just the usual pecking order. One of the most wasteful emotions in life is self-pity.

[Chgogal]

Thank you for your post. I will read them one day. Right now I am sick and tired of the black/white thing. But I am interested in your links.

All I know is that I am sick and tired of education being so poor because family life is so poor. There are two kinds of families - decent and indecent. The decent families (defined by the results) will have good family lives that will teach their children how to be decent people and decent citizens. My immediate family is decent. My niece is a breeze in terms of parenting. My nephew is the complete opposite. My poor sister and BIL have to constantly parent him. Even I have to parent him as an Aunt to reinforce our family values. He has turned the corner and is becoming a very productive citizen. We are proud.

I do know for a fact that; (1) the only way one can educate ones self is to absorb the knowledge that is in that book in front of one. That means hours and hours of homework. All the money in the world spent by governments cannot make up for the lack of hard work. Period. (2) I know for a fact that if my nephew were ever suspended from high school he would NOT be talking to his girlfriend for 6.5 hours a day. He would not be wandering the streets at all hours of the day searching for Skittles and Ice Tea. His butt would be in a sling. He would be pulling out all the weeds (however small) in his parent's yard and all the neighbors’ yards between the hours of 10-5 pm. He lives in Florida so it would be torture. (It's warm outside and weeds grow right in front of your eyes 24/7. It's freaking never ending!!!!!)

That in my mind that is the difference between a decent family and an indecent family. Period end of story.

That does not mean a person should be shot dead. It is always a tragedy to lose a child. Always. It is always a tragedy to have shot and killed someone. The tragic events become even more tragic when exploited by the President of the United States and HIS ADMINISTRATION, Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee. Nothing good will come of this exploited tragedy.

[Chgogal]

What a great cartoon. I love it!

BTW, I’m fighting for Free Gas instead of Free Condoms. What say you? ; )

[mrsmel]

I just found one source which says that app 80% of all combat troops are white male. I’m looking for a few more before I post a link.

[mrsmel]

These statistics are from USA Today Jan '03. I don't see where they say what their source was--

Though Rangel is right that blacks and lower-income Americans still serve in disproportionate numbers, that fact misses another significant trend. While blacks are 20% of the military — compared with 12% of the U.S. population — they make up a far smaller percentage of troops in combat jobs on the front line.

In a host of high-risk slots — from Army commandos to Navy and Air Force fighter pilots — blacks constitute less than 5% of the force, statistics show.

Blacks, especially in the enlisted ranks, tend to be disproportionately drawn to non-combat fields such as unit administration and communications. They are underrepresented in jobs shooting rifles or dropping bombs.

Examples:

Of the Army's 45,586 enlisted combat infantryman, 10.6% are black.
Of the Air Force's 12,000 pilots, 245, or about 2%, are black.
In the Navy, 2.5% of the pilots are black.

[Chgogal]

“Bottom line: if you act like and dress like a gangbanger, you’ll get treated like one. Act and dress like a professional, and most (not all but most) people will treat you like a decent human being.”

A very interesting post. Thank you.

In the summer of 1980 my sister and I spent it traveling through Europe and Morocco. My sister broke her arm in Morocco. On the way back to the States I changed my garb from hiking boots and blue jeans to high heels and a lovely dress. My hair was still a mess but I still looked well, “civilized”. My sister decided to stay in her jeans and hiking boots. Her hair was dreadful. Going through security the Dutch Marines (Europe was on Terrorist Watch because of the Iranian thing and the Bader Meinhof/Red October stuff going on at the time) treated me like a lady. My poor sister was thrown against the wall and searched. Her arm hurt more than usual for the next few hours after that incident.

[PapaBear3625]

I don’t know about that. I can only tell from personal observations. In the staging areas I saw mainly whites. I have no idea what fields the troops were in as I was not forward located.

Blacks seem to prefer the support MOS's, jobs where they can get skills transferable to civilian life when they're done with military life. If you look at Special Forces, SEALs, etc, it's mainly white and Hispanic.

Another measure is the relative number of casualties. Blacks made up about 13% of the Army, yet accounted for just 8% of casualties in Afghanistan