Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay
I’m having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmerman’s call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.
WTH ??
a) proofread
b) do your own damned research
Do you have a link?
“Does race play a big part in this killing somehow?”
Race is the ONLY part of this killing that matters to most of the media.
Where have you been for the last couple of weeks?
The entire thing has become pure theater,with race being the theme.
Suppose alot of things. The FACTS remain that all these supposed eye witnesses only saw a part of the confrontation. And without seeing the condition of Martin's body and face after this confrontation why are you Zimmerman supporters so quick to accept one side of the story. And that side is Zimmerman's
If you really believe everything you say above, then I am not sure who you are arguing with here. My difficulty with most of your posts here is that you have made numerous assertions that it was in fact Zimmerman who struck first. I have no problem with you holding that opinion - but it is only an opinion.
And I am not sure what it is that makes me a "Zimmerman supporter." I have said repeatedly that we do not know exactly what happened. But the known facts do not contradict Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. Many of the people responding to you here feel the same way - try reading their posts a little more calmly.
And I very much disagree with your repeated attempts to cast reasonable, normal behavior by Zimmerman as somehow sinister, provocative or somehow illegal.
I stand corrected.
The "let's blame the victim" crowd isn't going to like that statement.
There is no evidence to confirm that premise.
You seem to be saying that keeping a suspicious person in sight equals initiating a confrontation.
That's a pretty far-fetched conclusion.
There is evidence that Z's NW training advices not to approach the suspicious person.
There is evidence from a previous call of Z's(9:27) to the police reporting a suspicious person
where Zimmerman says...”I don’t want to approach him personally”
...it shows in that instance Z wasn’t acting like some wild vigilante. He was doing what NW is suppose to do, watch and report. It is a data point at odds with the claims of some that he was a predatory hunter stalking M with the intent of confronting/executing/assassinating him.
He was walking home armed with a bag of Skittles and a bottle of Arizona tea,
Other than the Martin family's scumbag liar lawyer statement: Skittles and Ice Cream. Kindly provide a link supporting evidence of Skittles and Iced Tea.
BTW, Skittles is street slang for Estacy and Ice Cream beez Crack.
Cheers,
OLA
He wasn’t walking home. He didn’t live there. And since when is walking in and out between houses in a rain storm “walking home”.
And there’s no telling what he would have done had Zimmerman not caught him. See how that works? I get to assume things just like you do. However, there is more evidence that Martin was a thug than there is that Zimmerman is a “Dirty Harry Wanna Be”.
The Orlando Sentinel contacted the voice identification experts. Both determined it was not George Zimmerman who called for help. Using different methods they took all the screams, put those together, and cut out everything else. You can listen to the extracted screams at the Sentinel’s site.
That's an interesting find. I have been saying for a while that it is difficult for me to square the image of the "nervous Nelly" who calls the cops about open garage doors with the "vigilante" who wants to take the law into his own hands. I recognize that there is room for middle ground, but it seems to me he really can't be both. This recording certainly suggests that a confrontation with Martin is not something Zimmerman was likely to have desired.
Surely that would be on the 911 tape where Zimmerman says Martin is "checking me out"? But I don't hear it. Why would Zimmerman make that up - he had to know his call was being recorded? Or, why would the cops make that up - to get dad to back down? How's that working?
This is likely the best thread...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2624216/posts
but there are quite a few more...
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/contrail/index?tab=articles
Well, the father’s recounting of the police recounting of Zimmerman’s recounting is not exactly evidence of anything one way or the other, because it likely something was incorrectly stated or understood somewhere in the repeating.
FWIW, Zimmerman did say during his call that Martin was approaching his vehicle and “checking (him) out,” but you are right, there is no conversation between the two on the recording.
Fantasy, what fantasy, he was out on his Neighborhood Watch Patrol when he was brutally attacked.
*48% to be exact
Wow, either her story has changed or you have things out of sequence.
Martin asked Zimmerman why he was following him,then Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing here.
This was followed by sounds indicating a scuffle had begun.
“The girl said Trayvon must have been pushed because his headset fell off and the phone call ended.”
Combined with a few more pesky details:
1. Witness reports have TM on top, beating Zimmerman.
2. Zimmerman has head wounds and broken nose, TM's only injury (per the mortician) is the gunshot wound which abruptly ended the beating he was administering to Zimmerman.
There's no logical reason the guy on top is the one screaming for help. TM's own father originally said it wasn't him, and then changed his story later on. On the other hand, the "experts" who claim differently are getting paid to contradict the obvious.
I see stories that claim that it was an aircraft contrail and other experts claiming that it was a missile. I haven’t followed it as meticulously as I could have but hadn’t heard a definitive determination had been made.
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