Posted on 03/27/2012 5:32:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the neighborhood watch volunteer who eventually shot to death the unarmed 17-year-old, then climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities told The Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities said.
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On that point I can agree with you, but your posts are putting forward that impression.
I've looked for transcripts showing the times but they aren't there YET.
But the legal question is still - who started the fight?
You just negated your prior argument. The question that will be asked in court is who was fighting for their life and why didn't Martin leave the scene after he had knocked Zimmerman to the ground...but more importantly, why did Martin approach Zimmerman at all after Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle.
Additional info: Twitter feed shows Treyvons picture and includes tweets wishing him a happy birthday.
“So, you should just accept it.”
I guess muawiyah believes that if a woman is being raped, she should lay back and enjoy it. His/her “reasoning” is scary.
Actually it doesn't. One court decision does not offer blanket coverage. Each case is different and in this one, Zimmerman will ultimately be found not guilty despite the crap you keep posting.......
wtc911 has been told by several posters that the cases he's citing aren't applicable at all, to non-hearsay testimony. And Zimmerman's testimony and statements aren't hearsay. He was there. Eyewitnesses or not, he may testify. There is no need for independent eyewitness corroboration - although independent eyewitness evidence is VERY VERY helpful in this case.
Of course, one is always free to challenge the credibility of testimony, even non-hearsay testimony.
“With your logic, policeman killed in the line of duty, “PROVOKED the confrontation”, hence they deserved what they got.”
BS! George Zimmerman is not a policeman, that’s the point. Also, Trayvon Martin wasn’t committing any crime. He was minding his own business while walking home from a mini-mart with a bag of skittles and a bottle of tea.
No disputing that, the question now is, why didn't Martin break off contact and retreat? He didn't and he was subsequently viewed by the witness (according to his documented statement) as being on top of Zimmerman beating on him and attempting to slam his head onto the cement pavement........
Since Martin chose not to break off contact and retreat, he became the aggressor and an immediate threat to Mr. Zimmerman's life...........
I heard George Zimmerman had a bag of Starburst and a bottle of Snapple in his truck.
Clearly, Zimmerman is innocent.
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No, I am saying that without any neutral corroboration Zimmerman's statement is self-serving and as such his statement may be ruled to be inadmissable.
And then I posted US Appeals court decision that support my statement.
Somebody (it may have been you) took the exact same line on another thread the other day, and was absolutely crushed by someone that knew the law.
The fact is that the last thing before the fight that we "know" Martin did was run away.
Note the word 'before the fight'...not during the fight.
The last information that we have about martin's actions before the 911 calls reporting the fight is from zimmerman's recorded call. In that call the last thing that zimmerman said about martin is..."he ran away."
If you have any other factual information about martin's actions before the fight please post a link to it.
How about you provide detail explaining why you think I'm wrong, and support your position with case law...
The last information that we have about martin’s actions before the 911 calls reporting the fight is from zimmerman’s recorded call. In that call the last thing that zimmerman said about martin is...”he ran away.”
The last thing Zimmerman said about Martin is “I don’t know where this kid is” meaning he had lost him. So much for Zimmerman initiating a confrontation.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
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When you want to talk about what I actually wrote then hit me up. I don't have any interest in defending things I never wrote.
That guy 101stAirborne (can’t remember his exact name) rebutted you with plenty of details (if that was in fact you). You were absolutely owned.
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Oh, I don't know...maybe he saw Zimmerman's gun and didn't feel safe to disengage. Maybe the gun was already in Zimmerman's hand. Do you know where the gun was or when/if Martin first saw it?
And, as long as you asked me to speculate...
Maybe he did disengage and was backing off when zimmerman pulled the gun and shot.
The point is that nobody saw the moment that Zimmerman pulled the trigger (at least none of the released statements indicate a witness to that moment). The "big news" of the day was the witness John. But he didn't see the start of the fight, didn't say he saw the gun and was no longer watching the action when the gun was fired.
How far away was Martin from the muzzle? Is there forensic evidence that says two inches or ten inches or two feet or five feet? I haven't seen any.
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I wrote that the last thing we know of martin's ACTIONS is that he ran away.
And, since the moment when the two found themselves face to face was unrecorded and, as far as we know, unwitnessed, nobody can say with any certainty (speculation but not certainty) who initiated the confrontation.
In that call the last thing that zimmerman said about martin is...”he ran away.
That is what you said.
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