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Live Thread: SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare [Day 3 Arguments; Post 153+]
National Review ^ | 0/26/2012 | Avik Roy

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:11:01 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

Edited on 03/26/2012 10:25:10 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I will be live-blogging the Supreme Court hearings on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act from March 26 to 28, beginning at 10 a.m. on Monday. I invite readers and NRO contributors to chip in with their observations. I will also incorporate Twitter feeds from various people from the health-care and legal worlds who are covering the case.

This is my first time running a live-blog, so my apologies if there are beginners’ technical glitches. See you in this space on Monday!

Audio:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/media/audio/mp3files/11-398-Monday.mp3

Transcript:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Monday.pdf

Windows Media:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/media/audio/wmafiles/11-398-Monday.wma

Real Audio:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/media/audio/realplayerfiles/11-398-Monday.ra


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; commerceclause; lawsuit; livescotusobamacare; necessaryproper; obamacare; oralarguements; oralargurments; scotus; scotusobamacare
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1 posted on 03/26/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

2 posted on 03/26/2012 8:14:40 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Always In Prayer

3 posted on 03/26/2012 8:18:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In self-evident truth, in timeless principle, in the people themselves, lie our republic's only hope)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Listening to possible arguments on the radio and one good one was signing a contract under duress. If the government can force you buy something then you are not a willing partner to that contract. If upheld that would change contract law forever and who knows what else the government can tell us to buy....like a Volt! Or broccoli!


4 posted on 03/26/2012 8:19:42 AM PDT by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
C-Span Live Healthcare Coverage
5 posted on 03/26/2012 8:21:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

Lib whackos singing “We Shall Overcome” in front of SCOTUS, begging for Obamacare government slavery on CSPAN.

MLK would be APPALLED....


6 posted on 03/26/2012 8:30:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Is Kagan recusing or not?


7 posted on 03/26/2012 8:30:41 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky

Is Kagan recusing or not?

Oh hell no...
Insignificant things like ETHICS, or morality no longer apply to DEMOCRATS. Haven’t you realized that by now?


8 posted on 03/26/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

bfl


9 posted on 03/26/2012 8:34:13 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

SCOTUS ping list:

Please post a link to any site you encounter that has good coverage of the oral arguments. It is my understanding that the Court will also release recordings of the arguments very soon after today’s hearing is finished. That would be prior to any official transcripts produced by the court reporter(s).


10 posted on 03/26/2012 8:34:56 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Interesting tack by the Supremes.

If it is a tax and not a penalty, the case can't be before the court until the taxes are paid, which would he 2014. Well after the election.

Punt that ball.

11 posted on 03/26/2012 8:36:41 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison, the Father of the United State Constitution


12 posted on 03/26/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In self-evident truth, in timeless principle, in the people themselves, lie our republic's only hope)
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To: Glenn

So, if Congress passed a bill stating that Tea Party members would be rounded up and put in camps in 2014, and the camps were being built in the meantime, the USSC couldn’t rule on that bill’s constitutionality?


13 posted on 03/26/2012 8:43:10 AM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: GregNH

Well, the government forcing you to buy something is a violation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution.


14 posted on 03/26/2012 8:43:51 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

My daughter rightfully pointed out that mandating a person buy something is akin to having to pay a fee in order to be alive. IOW, if you breath air, you must buy government health insurance.

How is this different than slavery?


15 posted on 03/26/2012 8:47:48 AM PDT by Jemian (We don't need Mittens in the south (or the rest of the country, for that matter).)
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To: sand lake bar
So, if Congress passed a bill stating that Tea Party members would be rounded up and put in camps in 2014, and the camps were being built in the meantime, the USSC couldn’t rule on that bill’s constitutionality?

The restriction comes when there is a tax in play. There's a law that says that a tax in question can only be appealed after it is paid, seeking a refund.

So a better example would be if a Tea Party member was being fined for being in the Tea Party, with the fine being redefined as a tax. It's still ridiculous, but in that case, yes, the law would be punted down the line until someone was actually taxed under it.

16 posted on 03/26/2012 8:50:05 AM PDT by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Lord, hear our prayers.


17 posted on 03/26/2012 8:51:30 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
With Kagan not bowing out she must think there is a chance to uphold the law as it stands....I also beleive she is violation of the law.
Under federal law—28 U.S.C. 455—any “justice, judge or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be reasonably questioned.”
The law further states that any justice
“shall also disqualify himself … [w]here he has served in governmental employment and in such capacity participated as counsel, adviser or material witness concerning the proceedings or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy.”
And our congressional leaders should be beating that drum.
18 posted on 03/26/2012 8:51:37 AM PDT by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<)
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To: EternalVigilance

Amen. Thanks for sharing that.


19 posted on 03/26/2012 8:52:18 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: GregNH

That’s a thoughtful argument. The potential impact upon contract law is a serious one.


20 posted on 03/26/2012 8:54:38 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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