Posted on 03/09/2012 6:20:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Reporting from Mobile, Ala.— Rick Santorum renewed his criticism of John F. Kennedy on Thursday night for saying during his 1960 campaign for the presidency that he believed “in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.”
“That’s not America,” the Republican presidential hopeful told a crowd at an Alabama dinner banquet. “That’s France. That’s a naked public square where people of faith are out of bounds.”
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......Santorum said he would continue to speak out on the importance of religion in public life.
“Please pray for me that I do so more articulately in the future,” he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
I am Catholic, Santorum’s issue (Well one of them anyway) is that he is just completely incapable of articulating his social conservative stands in a way that doesn’t make him look and sound like a radical or a kook as often as not.
Santorum got beaten to death in 06, and lost by 17 points because he has and continues to this very day, provide sound bite after sound bite of him saying things that just utterly unacceptable to the majority of folks.
He doesn’t have the intellect or the oratory skills to defend his social conservative stands in a reasonable way. Yes if you listen to the breadth of a comment he makes its usually not to bad, but inside that breadth is a sentence or two that can be taken as a sound bite and makes him look completely outside the mainstream.
Santorum won’t change his stripes folks, and he’s not going to get any better at articulating his stands... he’s a disaster waiting to happen,.
If we want the economy fixed, regulations rolled back and energy independence, we better vote for Newt Gingrich.
That, and/or waving around rattlers and copperheads during his sermons?
But maybe snake-handling has no appeal outside of Tennessee -- which Rick has already won!
The man is anything but pure. Have the courage and read. I wrote this and I footnoted it to death so there could be none of the usual claims of error, I did it out of respect for the intellect of santorum's supporters, and to approach them in a thoughtful way instead of shouting. some of them have found it eye-opening, and had their minds changed, or atleast started vetting Rick themselves. I hope you will join them.
Stupid.
I think Freepers understand the American concept of Christian Faith here.
But Santorum has been over that topic multiple times. We all know where Santorum stands on the issue. Asked and answered.
I don't know what else to think when that becomes a main topic in his stump speech. You have a very small window to get your message out to prospective voters, and THAT’s the most import thing you want to leave people with?
Newt's going around Alabama talking about the price of gas, going to gas stations, meeting with people and outlining his ways to solve the problem.
Again, I'm very happy that Santorum is so passionate about his faith. But as a voter, I know what message resonates more with me.
Throw in a little bit of reality that Santorum lost his a$$ with the public on this issue, so he tries to revisit it, thinking he will change the outcome.
This idiot just needs to go away.......He has caused too much damage already and we are all stuck with results.
This is not the president's job. To be a good role model, sure? To return "morals and principles" back to America? Nope. We are electing a president, not a priest.
Santorum will not be the next President, and if we nominate him we will lose in a massive landslide (which would take our House majority down as well). Perhaps some socons have a martyr complex? Prove to themselves that the country is going to hell because Santorum can't be elected? Or just want to make a statement by voting for a guy who could never win a general election? Either way, Santorum is an after-thought candidate who only made it this far because he was the only non-Romney no one paid any attention to till the rest were gone.
Any candidate, in this case Rick Santorum, who thinks it is would be part of his job as President to lecture the American people on why contraception is "not okay" is a terrible candidate who would be decisively defeated as a nominee. And yes, Santorum did say that:
One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea. Many in the Christian faith have said, 'Well, that’s okay. Contraception’s okay'. It’s not okay..."
Santorum will roll back those things too. They are both the same as far as being a patriotic Americans. It just that Santorum has the morals and principles a little more than Newt. But either one can be President as far as I am concerned. Problem with Newt is getting some support outside of SC and GA. If he can do that, he would be in a better position. Maybe try for Indiana or NM. I still think he is making a mistake by not trying in Kansas. I mean if he won there he could say that he won in the mid-West and the South instead of just the South.
Santorum will not be the next President, and if we nominate him we will lose in a massive landslide
That is such BS. If it was popular vote....MAYBE but since it is electoral college who chose then Santorum is the one that we want. He won Iowa, Wisconsin, Colorado, almost Ohio, will win Pennsylvania. He is winning all the important states. I know you want Newt but SC and GA we will win no matter who the candidate is. Newt can’t win in states that went blue in 2008 but are normally red. If we only have a candidate that wins the South, how can we expect to win the election? There are not enough states in the South for Newt to win in the general.
That is utter Bull splatter! Santorum has said NOTHING about these issues that he has not copied almost word for word from Newt Gingrich and even Romney. And in relation to the issues that actually matters to the public, Santorum has “TALKED” about it, less than 10% of the time.
He still has no plan of his own, nor does he have a clue how to even start.
This IS the reason why Santorum will never take hold, or win the election. The sooner you come to grips with reality, the sooner you can start learning again.
Okay here is my question. We all hear this stuff coming out of Santorum’s mouth, but we still see “Conservatives” voting for this guy in big numbers,especially Evangelicals (though interesting enough not Catholics). Why? Are these people that easily swayed by his pompous virtuosity? He is a disaster waiting to happen come November. He is a walking, talking Dem political add. They could fire all their high priced consultants because they would need them, it would be that easy. As a SoCon commentator on the cultural decay in America he would be outstanding, but gawd not president. I think Rick must have had a real vocation to become a priest and didn’t follow his heart.
It seems to me that post would fit better at DU. Attacking a man for standing up for Judeo-Christian morality on a conservative site? Wow.
ROFLMAO! Now there is a classic oxymoron for you! LOL!
naps, what do you think of my post #24? What does it say about Santorum? I’d really like your opinion. thanks.
His F-I-L must have been very proud of his daughter living with the #1 abortionist in PA for 6 years. A man 20+ years her senior.
While I could happily vote for Gingrich, as well as for Santorum or Paul, I see that this thread is attracting some who are allowing the left to live rent rent-free in certain corners of their minds.
1. “Separation of church and state” is not part of the Constitution, and the meaning given this phrase today would have been abhorent to the Foundering Generation that ratified it and the generations of Americans that immediately succeeded them.
2. The phrase “separation of church and state” is actually Klan-speak for a KKK doctrine advocating suppressing Catholicism. (I, by the way, am not a Catholic)
3. The phrase “separation of church and state” was inserted into the Everson case in 1947 and was used thereafter to unconstitutionally suppress Christianity in this country. The SCOTUS judge who inserted the phrase in his opinion was Hugo Black, A KLANSMAN and a notorious anti-Catholic bigot.
4. As a purely nominal Catholic, it isn’t surprising that JFK was willing to embrace this doctrine at a time when, unlike today, people still knew what it meant. Nevertheless, it was wrong and harmful.
5. The left wins because it is epistemologically self-conscious, unlike the average conservative. As a result, the left asserts its metaphysical views, directly and indirectly, very forcefully. We, on the other hand, because we have been conditioned by the left’s media to flinch when someone on our side does the same thing, turn on conservatives who raise the issues that must be raised to ultimately overturn the left’s cultural hegemony. We also hand our children over to be indoctrinated by the left’s government schools and allow them to consume hours and hours of leftist media. We, too, consume large amounts of leftist media and make huge income transfers to the left through cable subscriptions and other purchases we make.
6. Santorum isn’t wrong to raise this issue. We are wrong for criticizing him for it. Perhaps the criticism reflects that many here think,like most of the WSJ editorial page writers, we can have a free economy and lots of stuff without worrying about all that “uptight, icky” moral stuff. This is not merely wrong, it is foolish.
7. Politics won’t save us. The leftist policies we complain about are a product of our failure to defend the Christian culture that the Constitution rested on. Leftist politicians are culture warriors, but we, in contrast, turn on our candidates who raise cultural issues in a serious way. Any political victory that is not also clearly a cultural victory is hollow. Both Bush presidencies illustrate that. Candidates who don’t even make a Bush-like pretense of raising cultural issues lose - but maybe we like our Doles and McCains.
8. The political discussion of candidates on FR this primary season has been the most childish I’ve ever seen. With the exception of Mittens, Huntsman, and Pawlenty, our candidates have been good to very good. But, instead of discussing relative strengths and weaknesses in a reasonable way, we have been stupidly tearing decent candidates apart.
9. Conservatives don’t deserve to be taken seriously, and won’t be, until we entirely delegitimize and shut down government schools and destroy the MSM by getting rid of our televisions and refusing to buy from sponsors of leftist (both cultural and political) programming.
The longer I read FR, the more convinced I am that Pogo was right.
I can condense what you said, into a few words; “Santorum supporters are brainless!” (THERE!, I said it!)
I’ve seen it because you have posted it in multiple Santorum threads. That’s not going to make me drop my support for him and turn to Gingrich. Santorum didn’t defend this and amended the law. No one is perfect, and Gingrich has skeletons in his closet too.
Rick? Is that you?
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