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To: Antoninus
I can take heat, I'm just a bit choosy about whose ignorant opinion I opt to endure.

Perhaps you'd like to enumerate the many advantages achieved during the multi-billion, multi-decade "war-on-some-drugs" that has destroyed the nations of Mexico and Colombia, corrupted our police forces, given rise to the paramilitary character of law enforcement in our nation and has proceeded without any constitutional basis since the days of Nixon at least.

It would be better if humans used no recreational chemicals at all. I wish all people would make that choice. My only drug of choice is black coffee. I choose sanity over insanity whether chemically assisted or not. I am unwilling to continue to finance further futile attempts to protect fools from their folly; it's on them to be better people. That is a classical conservative position

The War-on-some-drugs is insanity. It has produced no measurable advantages unless you see the world through a fascist perspective and applaud the growth of government power, the destruction of the 4th amendment, and bankrolling of multi-national organized crime. 

96 posted on 03/09/2012 8:04:19 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: muir_redwoods
The War-on-some-drugs is insanity. It has produced no measurable advantages unless you see the world through a fascist perspective and applaud the growth of government power, the destruction of the 4th amendment, and bankrolling of multi-national organized crime.

The argument here is ludicrous and could be applied to all crime, not just drug dealing/use. We spend billions of dollars fighting theft in this country. Yet people still steal. We spend billions of dollars fighting rape. Yet people still rape. We spend billions of dollars fighting murder. Yet people still murder.

Based on the logic of the drug legalization argument, we should simply legalize all of the above "intractable" problems and they simply go away. To an extent, that is true. Legalize drugs and the problem will go away--for drug users. The problems for the rest of society will explode, however.

BTW, have you seen this? Even the famously liberal Netherlands are retreating on their legal pot position:


97 posted on 03/09/2012 8:14:11 AM PST by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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To: muir_redwoods
The War-on-some-drugs is insanity. It has produced no measurable advantages unless you see the world through a fascist perspective and applaud the growth of government power, the destruction of the 4th amendment, and bankrolling of multi-national organized crime.

The argument here is ludicrous and could be applied to all crime, not just drug dealing/use. We spend billions of dollars fighting theft in this country. Yet people still steal. We spend billions of dollars fighting rape. Yet people still rape. We spend billions of dollars fighting murder. Yet people still murder.

Based on the logic of the drug legalization argument, we should simply legalize all of the above "intractable" problems and they simply go away. To an extent, that is true. Legalize drugs and the problem will go away--for drug users. The problems for the rest of society will explode, however.

BTW, have you seen this? Even the famously liberal Netherlands are retreating on their legal pot position:

Netherlands Marijuana Law: Dutch Government To Classify Marijuana As Hard Drug
98 posted on 03/09/2012 8:14:38 AM PST by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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