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Obama Eligibility Hearing in Arizona tomorrow
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/arizona-obama-ballot-challenge-hearing-tomorrow-in-tucson ^ | Feb 22, 2012 | obamaballotchallenge.com

Posted on 02/22/2012 10:09:16 AM PST by jdirt

Please attend hearing if you can.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; arpaio; certifigate; eligibility; hearing; kerkorian; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: Harlan1196
I understand that you are waking up to the futility of your position.

I realize that the system is infected with a disease which needs to be eradicated. The people on your side have twisted federal law every since Roosevelt and Truman had 20 years of stacking the court with kooks. The consequences of this distortion in the legal system is still manifesting itself today.

When your answer is a flat out rejection of our legal system as it has existed for 200 years then I understand you really don’t understand how things really work.

Well see, this is where conservatives disagree with you. Our current system is not the same system as existed for 200 years. This "living constitution" bullsh*t is only of fairly recent vintage, and can be traced exclusively to the influence of Roosevelt and Truman's appointments to the Federal bench.

Normal SANE judges would not permit most of Roosevelt's agenda. Time after time one of his programs would be judged "unconstitutional" (Borderline Communist stuff) and so every time an opening came up, Roosevelt would appoint another Liberal Kook.

Kook judges, force the law schools to teach kook law. Too many of them believe (as do you) that the law is what a Judge Says it is.

Again, this stuff is axiomatic for conservatives. For you, on the other hand, it is probably the first time you have ever heard of it.

It is a tenet of the conservative side of the political spectrum that the Legal system is seriously diseased; Not that it functions "normal."

A "normal" legal system does not legalize baby murder based on an Amendment to grant citizenship to slaves.

There are bad times a-commin, and when the dust settles, the court system will be functioning correctly once again.

321 posted on 02/26/2012 9:25:02 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Harlan1196
Do you appreciated just how delusional you sound?

I appreciate the concept of a bot being set up to give a warning or alert when somebody replies to a particular reply or thread.

You just give credence to how good Mario Apuzzo's article is as you're here right on cue.

322 posted on 02/26/2012 9:29:38 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I realize that the system is infected with a disease which needs to be eradicated.
Sometimes diseases work to one's advantage.
323 posted on 02/26/2012 9:31:19 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
So the entire justice system is full of children and birthers are the only adults in the room?

Depending upon what you mean by the term "birthers", the answer is "yes." Absolutely. The notion that someone of questionable credentials should be merely accepted on their own say-so is about the most incompetent thing i've seen from governmental officials in decades.

Competent adults know better. As the only people asking for evidence are "birthers", one must conclude that they are the only competent people on the stage.

Humility is not a word you are familiar with, is it?

You may have reasons to be humble, but I have a track record of capability that is exceptional. Competence is a word with which I am very familiar.

324 posted on 02/26/2012 9:33:17 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
@Medieval CatapultsThrough out Medieval times, catapults and related siege machines were the first weapons used for biological warfare. The carcasses of diseased animals and those who had perished from the Black Death or other diseases were loaded onto the catapult and then thrown over the castle's walls to infect those barricaded inside. There are other recorded instances of large numbers of beehives being catapulted over castle walls.
325 posted on 02/26/2012 9:33:49 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You have a very active imagination. So who do you think I work for? NSA? CIA? Area 51?


326 posted on 02/26/2012 9:35:02 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Wisdom from comic book characters? Sure, why not? Between Leo and Orly, Lex fits in just fine.

I had to give you something to which you could relate. You seem to be pretty much a comic book type of person, so I figured the reference might resonate with you.

327 posted on 02/26/2012 9:36:13 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Harlan1196
You have a very active imagination.
Thank you. Yours seems rather stagnant.

So who do you think I work for? NSA? CIA? Area 51?

From your homepage...I presently work in the defense industry supporting Navy operations.
Who do you work for, if I may ask?

328 posted on 02/26/2012 9:41:23 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Rogers
Yes, I do. But the LANGUAGE of the law, used by men in 1787, was based on English common law. I have NOT said we are UNDER English common law, but that the term NBC finds its meaning in the English common law term ‘natural born subject’ - which was the normal legal term used then.

Yes, we use the terms "Captain" and "Corporal" but that doesn't mean our soldiers owe allegiance to the King as do theirs.

Our founding principles exclude the English understanding of subjectship. The very existence of our nation is a rejection of the character of being a subject. That some states continued usage of the term is nothing but verbal inertia. I note you have no references after 1789.

Even Thomas Jefferson initially wrote the word "subject" into the Declaration of Independence. He then rubbed it out and re-wrote the word "citizen." A more fitting symbol of what we did as a nation is unlikely to be found. We explicitly REJECTED Monarchical based subjectship law.

329 posted on 02/26/2012 9:44:02 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: philman_36
Sometimes diseases work to one's advantage.

In this case, the disease needs to provoke enough outrage that a few judges get their butts impeached. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans are so clueless as to how things were supposed to operate, that they don't know what they think until someone tells them.

The system will teeter along until it falls, and the signs are looking ominous to me.

330 posted on 02/26/2012 9:49:44 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
In this case, the disease needs to provoke enough outrage that a few judges get their butts impeached.
In that case I would agree.
331 posted on 02/26/2012 9:54:30 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Lawyers like Mario Apuzzo, Orly Taitz and Leo Donofrio are the reason birthers lose every time in every court.

I don't think you've repeated it enough.

"Four Legs GOOD! Two legs Bad!"


332 posted on 02/26/2012 9:55:03 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: philman_36

I work for you - the American public.


333 posted on 02/26/2012 9:55:03 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36
WOW! It's like you're a bot programmed to reply to a thread. You just happened to be making a reply right before me, right?

He is unquestionably a bot. There are only three groups of people involved in these discussions. Conservatives who want the truth to come out, misguided conservatives (Mr. Rogers) who can't shake their delusions, and bots working for the other side.

Given this guy's unfamiliarity with the ubiquitous concept (among conservatives) that the Federal Judiciary is seriously screwed up, the obvious conclusion is that he runs in different circles than do normal conservatives.

His arguments are too involved in esoteric minutia to be discovered by someone with a casual interest, and in many cases they are verbatim fogblow.

He is simply a false flag agent provocateur.

334 posted on 02/26/2012 10:01:30 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Harlan1196
Who do you work for, if I may ask?

I work for you - the American public.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. LOL

Then let me rephrase my question...

I presently work in the defense industry supporting Navy operations.
What company in the defense industry do you work for, if I may ask?

335 posted on 02/26/2012 10:02:41 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I know. Proving it is another matter altogether.
336 posted on 02/26/2012 10:04:13 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
If true, you should be embarrassed that a computer program can present more articulate and rational arguments then you can. Just saying.

I'm sure a computer program COULD produce more articulate and rational arguments then can you. As of yet, you have produced none. A computer need reply with anything (including random text gibberish) to have bettered your effort.

At least gibberish wouldn't be absolutely wrong.

337 posted on 02/26/2012 10:04:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Harlan1196
You have a very active imagination. So who do you think I work for? NSA? CIA? Area 51?

DNC or College Democrats.

338 posted on 02/26/2012 10:07:46 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“We explicitly REJECTED Monarchical based subjectship law. “

Odd, then, that the same men and states seemed to have used the term interchangeably...

Perhaps you would like to tell me the basis of a commonly understood meaning of the legal term “natural born citizen” prior to 1787. Remember, it did not appear in any translation of Vattel prior to 1797. Indeed, someone following Vattel would have used the term native, or indigene - as Vattel did.


339 posted on 02/26/2012 10:09:30 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Harlan1196
So what do you think of my "active imagination" here...

I would also like to note and offer for consideration that there are no such current contemporary writings that I know of that are being written by anybody of the liberal bent agreeing with the decisions by any of the courts on this issue.
Kind of gives one an idea of what they think of it...they don't even try to defend them as they know how poor such decisions are.

Do you know of anybody "of renown" on the liberal side currently writing any articles as to their take on the rulings?

340 posted on 02/26/2012 10:11:46 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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