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To: DiogenesLamp

“We explicitly REJECTED Monarchical based subjectship law. “

Odd, then, that the same men and states seemed to have used the term interchangeably...

Perhaps you would like to tell me the basis of a commonly understood meaning of the legal term “natural born citizen” prior to 1787. Remember, it did not appear in any translation of Vattel prior to 1797. Indeed, someone following Vattel would have used the term native, or indigene - as Vattel did.


339 posted on 02/26/2012 10:09:30 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
Remember, it did not appear in any translation of Vattel prior to 1797.

"Parlez-vous français?" or "Ne vous lire le français?" as many of the Founding Fathers did?

While that should "shut down" your argument I doubt it will.

341 posted on 02/26/2012 10:24:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Rogers
Odd, then, that the same men and states seemed to have used the term interchangeably...

Till 1791. You know, till just shortly after the Constitution was ratified.

"the new Constitutional government began March 4, 1789."

Perhaps you would like to tell me the basis of a commonly understood meaning of the legal term “natural born citizen” prior to 1787. Remember, it did not appear in any translation of Vattel prior to 1797. Indeed, someone following Vattel would have used the term native, or indigene - as Vattel did.

Sure it did. It appeared in the translation which the founders wrote into article II. You do remember, most of the founders spoke and wrote French. They didn't need translations to read "Droit des Gens."

Apart from that, I don't know how you can allege such a thing. There were English translations as early as 1760. Am I to believe that you have looked at all of them?

I noticed in one 1760 edition they used the term "natives" which as you and I both know, was used interchangeably with "natural born citizen." Potato PoTAHto.

345 posted on 02/26/2012 10:31:01 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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