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I'm starting to think that a deadlocked convention turning to someone who isn't currently on the stage is the only hope for the party.
1 posted on 02/15/2012 12:10:44 PM PST by NoPinkos
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To: NoPinkos

How bout letting the voters decide this one newbie?


2 posted on 02/15/2012 12:13:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NoPinkos

That’s pretty much where I am.

Although, I’m willing to listen to Newt.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 12:13:47 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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Somebody needs to swoop and save the day for conservatives! West? Rubio? Palin? We’ll probably get Jeb.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 12:14:50 PM PST by albie
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I have no problem finding someone new at the convention, but I do think that the attacks on Santorum fiscally are overstated. Santorum was a team play, and it caused him to have some bad votes in the 2000s. He had been praised for some of his fiscal work previously in his career. He is a conservative, and I think, when he’s in charge, he’d do things differently that when he was just a team player. He would clearly be better than Bush fiscally.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 12:15:09 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Santorum opposed TARP, cap and trade and health care mandates. He IS fiscally conservative, and he understands the proper role of the federal government better than the others. Rick will fight Obama every day on HIS terms, and discuss issues that the media want to avoid, namely, the pervasive socialism and corruption of the Obots. Bob


6 posted on 02/15/2012 12:16:03 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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Valentine’s Day as a sign up day and no “Pink”os as your screen name? Kinda cute I think. :)


7 posted on 02/15/2012 12:17:23 PM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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Reads like a crap article by a libertarian who tells us not to support anybody who voted for Baby Bush’s big government policies. Even freshmen Senators under the gun.

Sure.

I don’t pretend to know how fiscally reponsible Santorum would be, but this fallacious article is a joke and doesn’t begin to teach me a thing besides the fact that junior Senators have to vote along party lines a lot of the time.

Then there is the lie that Santorum would not be different than Romney. Right sure.

There is nobody good left running for the GOP nominee. Santorum is light years better than the rest of the field Even so, Romney will win on Super Tuesday and be the nominee. Then we will be lucky if half the base supports him to defeat Obama, or if we end up with another 4 years of severe destruction of America.

A President Santorum would be a miraculous save under the expected scenario of Romney vs Satan (obama).


8 posted on 02/15/2012 12:17:28 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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Can we stop pretending that Rick Santorum is a fiscal conservative?

No!!!
Politics is all about pretending.

10 posted on 02/15/2012 12:19:31 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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"Can we stop pretending that Rick Santorum is a fiscal conservative?"

Fixed it.

11 posted on 02/15/2012 12:20:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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I wonder how Rick feels about moon bases and make-work jobs for school kids?


13 posted on 02/15/2012 12:21:49 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Why, just because he doesn’t vote NO on everything like Ron Paul? (Well, everything except earmarks for his home district in Texas that is).

Try again.


17 posted on 02/15/2012 12:27:55 PM PST by bigbob
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I don’t know much about Romney, but there must be something conservative about him because Rush can say nothing but good things.


20 posted on 02/15/2012 12:28:28 PM PST by elvis-lives
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Santorum's social conservatism is going to turn away independent voters. For example, his strange rant against contraceptives is going to sound nutty and unserious to many on-the-fence voters in swing states. And national polls show that voters are now supportive of gay marriage, which Santorum vigoriously opposes.

Somehow, Reagan and George W.Bush won as very open social conservatives so this contention is idiocy.

And, if think social conservatives are going to concede the marriage issue, you're out of your mind.

There are more social conservatives than liberaltarian types. There is no chance of Republicans winning squat without socials conservatives. Get used to it. Know your place at the back of the bus. The dog wags the tail, not the other way around.

22 posted on 02/15/2012 12:30:44 PM PST by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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The utter idiots who are conservative only on fiscal matters brought Santorum to the fore by going after social conservatives without Santorum’s fiscal record first until he was all that was left.

Social conservatives have been completely clear that there will be no more compromise on religious freedom or any other social issue even if it means Obama or civil war.

The fiscal only crowd was so stupid they thought they could play chicken and get what they wanted.

Dead wrong. Quit whining.
Pray for peace, prepare for war.


23 posted on 02/15/2012 12:30:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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You may be right, that is, about a brokered convention, where we can put any bitterness behind us.

But I must challenge the lead article's acceptance of Rick Santorum as a "Social Conservative."

Rick Santorum, not only in this campaign, but in the Senate, has shown that he does not respect the Tenth Amendment. In the context of American Constitutional Law, there can be no clearer evidence that the man is not a true social conservative. Why?

Many of the specific grievances in the Declaration Of Independence, had to do with outside interference with local communities' rights to have their own Courts, their own institutions--a revolt against outside dictation on social matters. This was reflected in our Constitution, by the fact that social questions--the Police Power that deals with health, safety & morals--was left to the States & local communities; a decision clearly reaffirmed in the Tenth Amendment.

We in Ohio can jolly well handle our own social legislation, we do not need a Pennsylvanian telling us what we need or do not need in managing our purely local affairs. But Rick doesn't apparently accept that. For a specific example, he was one of those who supported the idea of Congress trying to dictate a judicial finding in a Florida Probate Court case (Schiavo) in 2005--apparently failing to realize that this sort of intrusion into local access to local Courts, was one of the very things spelled out as justifying our Revolution in the Declaration.

This is absolutely basic to Federalism.

William Flax

24 posted on 02/15/2012 12:30:49 PM PST by Ohioan
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Santorum has never been my favorite candidate. I've supported Newt since last summer, and Perry was my second choice.

But if it comes to Santorum versus Romney, or Santorum versus Obama.....hey, it's a no brainer.

25 posted on 02/15/2012 12:31:03 PM PST by Notary Sojac (A liberal, a conservative, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi. Mitt!!".)
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What is wrong with the thinking of people who call themselves "conservatives," when they fritter away this critical time in our nation's history on small matters instead of focusing on defining what it is they value enough to "conserve"?

Now would be a good time for conservatives to read Dr. Russell Kirk's "The Conservative Mind, which can be read online, by the way.

In Kirk's last chapter he reviews the works of poets and writers, quoting lines which now seem to bear a strikinig resemblance to the players on the stage in American politics today.

For instance, in Robert Frost's "A Case for Jefferson," Frost writes of the character Harrison:

"Harrison loves my country too
But wants it all made over new.
. . . .
He dotes on Saturday pork and beans.
But his mind is hardly out of his teens.
With him the love of country means
Blowing it all to smithereens
And having it made over new."

The pseudointellectuals who occupy the White House, the media, and much of Congress fancy themselves "intellectuals."

By their words and actions, however, they display a provinciality reminiscent of that Dr. Kirk recalls as having been described by T. S. Eliot as being one of time and place, having no intellectual grounding in ideas older than their own little experience in dabbling and discussing Mao, Marx, and other theoreticians.

America's written Constitution deserves protectors whose minds are out of their teens in terms of their understanding of civilization's long struggle for liberty.

It certainly deserves protectors who do not consider it a "flawed" document because it does not permit the government it structures to run rough shod over the rights of its "KEEPERS, the People" (Justice Story).

Blasting it "all to smithereens" seems to be the goal of the current Administration and so-called "progressives" who control the Executive and one-half of the Legislative branch of government.

The Founders' Constitution's strict limits on coercive power by elected representatives are being ignored and disavowed; the free enterprise system which allowed individual citizens to achieve and excel in their chosen pursuits is being co-opted by elected and unelected bureaucrats; and the rights of conscience, speech, and religion are being trampled as we post here--yet, the persons who could influence minds and hearts are quibbling about petty politics of the day instead of debating great ideas such as how to preserve liberty, or, in economic matters, the great moral philosopher, Adam Smith's "Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations."

When, in 1776, our ancestors felt the heavy hand of the British government "taking" their earnings, regulating their lives, interfering with their beliefs, and asserting coercive control over their actions, they did not waste their time on such trivia.

They wrote great treatises such as "Thoughts on Government" and "Common Sense." They educated their young on the merits of liberty, as opposed to slavery to government, and they did the groundwork which allowed for a written Constitution for self-government to be ratified in the states only eleven years later.

America is about to be bankrupt, both financially and philosophically, and those who have benefited from the Founders' ideas, who call themselves "conservators" (conservatives) of those ideas, should come together to place those ideas before millions of young people who must participate in voting in November on whether they desire liberty or slavery. Women, youth, men, so-called "seniors"--all need to have the choice presented clearly that this election pits the ideas of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and America's other Founders against the ideas of Marx, Lenin, and Keynes.

There are always "useful idiots." That's what every oppressive regime has relied upon. A "useful idiot" with a big megaphone is more dangerous to liberty than millions of ordinary ones, because of the ability to lull more people into a sense of complacency.

America, awaken! This decades-long battle for your liberty has been engaged. But, for decades, you have allowed the ideas of your liberty to be censored from your nation's textbooks and public discourse.

Your best weapon is contained in your Declaration of Independence and the Constitution which leaves all the power in your hands. Read them, amplify upon their principles and ideas by accessing the Founders' writings and speeches.

For a quick review of those principles and your nation's first 50 years under its Constitution, consult John Quincy Adams' "Jubilee" Address here, or a recent reprint of a 1987 Bicentennial collection of the Founders' principles, here.

James Madison stated: "Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant—they have been cheated; asleep—they have been surprised; divided—the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ... the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government, they should watch over it ... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free."

26 posted on 02/15/2012 12:31:16 PM PST by loveliberty2
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Who paid you to register here at FR and post this tripe?

I susupect the source of funds is from someone even less conservative than Santorum.


27 posted on 02/15/2012 12:33:02 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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Goldberg makes a lot of valid criticisms of Santorum; but, then he attempts to transfer that argument into an endorsement of Romney. Fail.

Romney is, at best, a fiscal conservative, of questionable ethics who has a documented history of disengenuousnes, half truths and unmitigated lies.

I would never support Romney as long as there was a somewhat-viable conservative candidate available. That would be Santorum, if “push came to shove.” That said, my preference by far, of those available, would be Newt.

GO NEWT!!!

29 posted on 02/15/2012 12:33:28 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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And, if Santorum isn't a fiscal conservative, how on earth did he get a lifetime 88% ACU rating?
30 posted on 02/15/2012 12:33:41 PM PST by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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