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Gingrich says Santorum 'completely misunderstands' modern warfare
First Read ^ | 2-14-12 | Moe

Posted on 02/14/2012 7:20:22 PM PST by VinL

Newt Gingrich criticized Republican rival Rick Santorum on Tuesday afternoon for his “complete misunderstanding of modern warfare” over the former Pennsylvania senator’s remarks on women in combat.

Santorum on Thursday said he had “concerns about women in frontline combat.”

“I think that could be a very compromising situation … where people naturally, you know, may do things that may not be in the interests of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved,” Santorum told CNN’s John King.

Gingrich fired back at Santorum, calling his credentials to be commander in chief into question during a press availability at the Tulare World Ag expo during his four-day swing in California.

“We should be very proud of the men and women who put on the American uniform and risk their lives in order to protect this country,” Gingrich told reporters. “I just think that Rick completely misunderstands the nature of modern warfare by his comments.”

The former House speaker... said he believes no matter where you are wearing the U.S. military uniform, you are in combat – something Santorum should understand.

“Whatever your technical assignment, whether you’re a truck driver or you’re working with logistics, or you’re a military person, you’re in combat. And I think that we have to understand that from day one,” Gingrich said.

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: combat; feminism; feminist; gingrich; kstreet; lobbyistrick; newtgingrich; sanitorums; santorum; tulare
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To: Kansas58

Sorry to say it”s another example of Newt expounding unnecessarily, demonstrating his mental excellency on any subject....too often a bunch of BS.


121 posted on 02/15/2012 5:21:23 AM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: U-238

OK... I just got pwned.

I could however go into a “you want us to be like the French” tirade and continue the argument. But you’re right.


122 posted on 02/15/2012 5:49:45 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Marguerite
It is not my quote, it was a statement made by the newt when he was in congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4TGR5j6v9w

123 posted on 02/15/2012 6:20:39 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: org.whodat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4TGR5j6v9w


124 posted on 02/15/2012 6:21:41 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: show

Perhaps you could learn to MYOB. Quit trying to control what others think and say. I have seen as many nasty things posted around here about Santorum.

The best way to grow up is respect the fact that others don’t always agree. Ignore negative posts about your candidate if they bother you.


125 posted on 02/15/2012 6:30:28 AM PST by dforest
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To: octex
Yes, and Stalin used women as pilots, machine gunners, tank drivers, and in partisan forces too. They were never infantry per se and after the war they were no longer utilized in the armed forces of the Soviet Union.

Both the Soviet and Israeli experiments with women in combat were born out of far leftist/communist ideology that strove to erase gender lines and establish complete egalitarianism. I guess if that's your model...

126 posted on 02/15/2012 6:39:33 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: VinL
“Whatever your technical assignment, whether you’re a truck driver or you’re working with logistics, or you’re a military person, you’re in combat. And I think that we have to understand that from day one,” Gingrich said.

Very true, but there is a huge difference between an 88M (truck driver) who finds himself in a combat situation versus an 11B (infantryman) whose job it is to kit up, leave the wire, and find and kill bad guys.

127 posted on 02/15/2012 6:40:40 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: org.whodat

LOL @ the video

As I suspected, a quote from a history course, taken out of context by a bitter democrat-something woman ... YAWN


128 posted on 02/15/2012 6:43:52 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: octex

“I don’t believe females should be included in front line”

Define “front line “ in modern war. Were the female soldiers murdered by Hasan in the Forth Hood massacre “in front line” or not? Was Officer Kim Munley who stopped the massacre by shooting and wounding the murderer “in front line” or not?

I will tell a secret. Military or civilian people, we are all now “in the front line.” It’s been a long time since the enemy armies don’t go out of cities on a field or hill and battle against each other until one is declared victor like at Austerlitz or Waterloo...


129 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:17 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: sick1

Nutty eh?


130 posted on 02/15/2012 7:15:06 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Marguerite

Put the rhetoric aside. There is a difference between the front line or the battle zone and being vulnerable to attack in rear areas. Troops in the battle zone are in a constant combat environment. They cannot get up out of the fox hole and meander over to the NCO club to wind down after hours.


131 posted on 02/15/2012 9:34:02 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: jwalsh07

Perhaps. Just don’t go for the “fall in line with Jim Rob’s or anyone else’s dictate” on FR program. Should have posted sarcasm warning but I didn’t think it needed it but what passes for clear thought here as of late might make it hard to pick up.

It’s these open boxes where we can type anything we want (save profanity). If Jim Rob or any moderators want to keep things to a party line maybe they can turn these open text boxes into multiple choice drop downs where we can express our choices of varied support for Newt. (that is kinda sarcasm)


132 posted on 02/15/2012 10:43:38 AM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: ReneeLynn

As another woman, the way I see it, there are women who are strong enough and capable to engage in frontline combat. And I personally believe chivalry is long dead - most men would rush to their best friend’s side before they’d rush to protect someone just because she’s female (unless there were romantic feelings involved). *

HOWEVER, all that said, women should be held to the same standards as men. In photos of women in the armed forces, many of them have long hair. Aren’t men in the armed forces required to shave their heads? If so, why not the women? It makes me wonder: What other requirements don’t the women have? If a woman is to engage in frontline combat alongside men, she should be held to the same standards.

And, even then, she would have to be incapable of becoming pregnant - just like the men. While many of us are very capable when we’re pregnant, we have to be concerned for another life. I have great respect for the women and men in the armed forces. I’m just commenting on the reality of the situation.

* (One of my teenaged sons just commented: He agrees with Santorum in thinking a man would be more inclined to help a woman. I tend to think my son is the exception to the rule today.)


133 posted on 02/15/2012 11:12:29 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Every day is a blessing.)
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To: Timber Rattler
"Hypocrite" is the left's favorite political term. It means you don't have to win an argument or even make one.

The quote from your story actually indicates precisely the opposite. It shows Newt was being completely consistent even 17 years later. He told Santorum that if you're in the army, you're in combat no matter where you are. And the quote on your linked page shows Newt saying the exact same thing, that being "in combat" can mean just being on a ship, and that women can perform that duty well. As for the rest of Newt's statement, again, just like the left, you take someone making a joke out of context and try to demonize them for it. Pitiful.

And yet, he went on, if being in combat "means being on an Aegis class cruiser managing the computer controls for 12 ships and their rockets, a female again may be dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes."

134 posted on 02/15/2012 12:04:18 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: JediJones
Bullcrap! Newt's statement about women fighting in trenches and getting infections is well known. No amount of spin is going to change it---he was against women in combat in 1995, and now he's attacking Santorum for a similar opinion?

Give me a break!

135 posted on 02/15/2012 12:23:10 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: montag813
Right about what? His misquote of Santorum? Rick wasn't talking about womens' abilities, but about sexual attraction issues.

Please quote the "misquote." Newt wasn't talking about either of the things you mentioned. He simply said that Santorum's narrow definition of "combat" was inaccurate. I'll trust the judgment of a guy who teaches military history to our troops over the other candidates.

136 posted on 02/15/2012 1:17:23 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: KrisKrinkle
But the uniformed person working stateside is no more in combat than the civil service person who might be working right next to him

Tell that to the victims of Nidal Malik Hasan. In the war against Islamic fundamentalism, all of our troops are targets, stateside or not.

137 posted on 02/15/2012 1:19:40 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: JediJones

“In the war against Islamic fundamentalism, all of our troops are targets, stateside or not.”

All of us are targets to one degree or another. And that doesn’t change what I wrote.


138 posted on 02/15/2012 1:43:55 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. How could Newt be against women in combat when he said in his statement that combat can mean being on a battleship and that women would be very good at that job?


139 posted on 02/15/2012 1:50:54 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: U-238

140 posted on 02/15/2012 1:53:45 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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