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To: Apollo5600

You wrote:

“You aren’t understanding.”

I am understanding.

“I said each individual Christian is a part of the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ IS the Church.”

A church is not the Church. What part of that do you not understand?

“And as for the Priesthood. The Priest-system cannot be found in the NT,”

False. Again, just look at John 20:19-23.

“but only in the traditions men have put together to establish a Priest-system,”

False. Protestantism, which denies the priesthood Christ established, is the man-made tradition - which is exactly why it never showed up until invented in the 16th century.

“based on obscure scriptures like the one stating that a leader of a group of Christians must be a “husband to one wife”, which are then interpreted to mean that a Priest ought not be married since they are married to the Church.”

Except no on really does that.

“But yet, we have these words from Christ Himself on the matter:Obviously, Christ wasn’t visible EVERYWHERE,”

Who expects Him to be? Did anyone claim He was? No.

“and there would come a time when Christ would NO LONGER be visible. And yet, blessed are they who have NOT SEEN, AND YET HAVE BELIEVED.”

And yet they only believed through the preaching of the Church. That’s the whole point. Christ sent the Church.

“To have Christ is not dependent on what has been seen or not seen, therefore.”

But Christ was still visible.

“I’ll hit you with this scripture again:...
If God is a Spirit, and God is not seen, what does it mean to worship God “in spirit and in truth?””

God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are spirits and always will be. God the Son has not been a spirit alone for 2,000 years.

“It can only mean that true worship is also unseen.”

False reasoning. The truest worship was the sacrifice of the Son - and that was most definitely visible.

“It isn’t in the physical motions, but in the heart of the individual, which no man sees except for God.”

Again, you were wrong about the truest worship. Jesus was physical and not just spiritual. Don’t feel bad. Protestants are often afflicted with dualistic like hatred of the physical. It is a product of their heresy.


44 posted on 02/11/2012 6:10:15 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“A church is not the Church. What part of that do you not understand?”

I have never once used the word “church” in reference to a building. I don’t think you’re disagreeing with what you think you’re disagreeing with.

“And yet they only believed through the preaching of the Church. That’s the whole point. Christ sent the Church.”

Preaching, which is what we are all commanded to do, and setting up a fancy building and requiring people to show up every sunday, going to a Priest to gain forgiveness, performing rituals over and over again as a condition of salvation, are not the same things.

The emphasis in scripture is one of true spirituality and holiness. That means, stuff you don’t see, not an emphasis on what you can see.

Your emphasis is on worldly buildings, visible rituals, and methods that one must follow to gain favor with God.

That is one of the reasons why you keep flipping out whenever I use the word “Church” to refer to two or three people gathered together, as opposed to the Pope’s residence in Rome.


58 posted on 02/11/2012 9:46:12 PM PST by Apollo5600
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