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To: tcg

This is the only thing he has going for him. He doesn’t have a platform that is at all unique or interesting.

He doesn’t support a flat tax or any real reforms to the tax code. It’s just the USUAL games, even in business, where some will have tax cuts and others will not. He does not support a flat tax. He does not support a fair tax. He does not anything that hasn’t been heard in every election for years.

Quite frankly, he represents 4 more years of Republican mediocrity, and this is 4 years AFTER a terrible Barack Obama who really could have been used as a pretty good reason to introduce some radical reforms.

While conservatives are falling inlove with these vapid character arguments, they are ignoring platforms and are displaying their lack of vision or strategic sense.

Another thing I find disturbing is this phenomena of Protestants essentially treating Catholicism on an equal level. For REAL Southern Baptist types, such as myself, the issue has never been about character. Bishop Fulton Sheen came off pretty good. Michael Voris of today, a conservative Catholic, is definitely a good guy. The PROBLEM is in dangerous theology that denies the work of Christ, and joins His good works with our own or with some Saint or Mary to whom they expect us to go through in order to get to Christ. Therefore, this whole “He’s one of us” and this admission that this particular individual was judging Catholicsm by some Catholics reveals the overall vapidity of his thinking process.


3 posted on 02/11/2012 3:02:33 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

Wow. A REAL Baptist? R U series?

Holy Water, Batman!!

You need to study up a little more, Son.


4 posted on 02/11/2012 3:11:46 PM PST by moonhawk (Romney tucks his tail and licks the hand that beats him. Newt rips it off at the shoulder.)
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To: Apollo5600

You wrote:

“The PROBLEM is in dangerous theology that denies the work of Christ, and joins His good works with our own or with some Saint or Mary to whom they expect us to go through in order to get to Christ.”

Clearly - if that is what you believe - then the real problem is ignorance. Yours.


5 posted on 02/11/2012 3:23:47 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Apollo5600

You mean the theology which predates yours by 15 centuries, and is closest to the sense of the original Church? Really? Seriously? People said Reagan was short on specifics, too. Rick’s not Reagan, but he’s the best of this lot.


9 posted on 02/11/2012 3:46:10 PM PST by steve8714 (Yoda's speech to Luke; copied from Jack Webb in "The D.I.")
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To: Apollo5600; tcg

Tcg: A convert who remembers only the Catholic dems must have missed the Bill Buckley period. National Review, which essentially started, supported, and defined the Conservative movement was produced mainly by Catholics (and New England Catholics, at that)! Without WFB, there could have been no Reagan.

Apollo: It seems ridiculous to mention, but Catholics’ idea of citizenship, rights, and duty conform (by nature, not by recent choice or compulsion) with the U. S. Constitution at least as closely as, if not more closely than, any other religious or nonreligious group in the country. But it isn’t Christ’s work or divinity that we deny. The difference you’re talking about, I think, is that we do indeed deny that man’s good works DON’T count toward his individual salvation. (Sorry about the double-negative.) And “Not everyone who sayeth Lord, Lord . . .,” the Beatitudes, the good Samaritan, so many other references speak on our behalf. Good works, biblically and logically, count. No Catholic is ever inculcated with the idea that he must use a medium (Mary or the saints) to get through to God. They’re examples, folks who’ve fought the great battle, lived holy lives (n.b, have performed good works). Our most important prayer is the Our Father, said in every Mass.

I do hope that someday we’ll reach a level equal to yours.


10 posted on 02/11/2012 3:47:42 PM PST by Mach9
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To: Apollo5600

“Another thing I find disturbing is this phenomena of Protestants essentially treating Catholicism on an equal level”

Burned any crosses lately.


12 posted on 02/11/2012 3:55:14 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Apollo5600
denies the work of Christ

That's rich. It's also an untruthfully mendacious lie.
15 posted on 02/11/2012 4:10:50 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: Apollo5600
Another thing I find disturbing is this phenomena of Protestants essentially treating Catholicism on an equal level. For REAL Southern Baptist types, such as myself, the issue has never been about character.

You are a religious bigot, and you have no reason to be one.

Catholics walked the earth for 1400 years before a Baptist sneaked away from Martin Luther's shadow.

Treating Catholics on an equal level; do you realize how ignorant that makes you, just by thinking it, let alone having the moment of insanity to post it.

You arrogant REAL Southern Baptist, I hope some of your Southern Baptist brothers will chastise you, because this Catholic, resents being dragged down to the level that you call equal.

17 posted on 02/11/2012 4:14:00 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Apollo5600

You are confusing Catholic teaching was a strain of Protestant theology against which the Wesley brothers rebelled, as did the leaders of the First Great Awakening, of the “New Lights” against, the “Old Lights, ‘ and their rationalism, which attempted to reduce Christianity to its morality. Santorum and evangelicals do share a common moral code, which is stricter than that of either liberal Protestants or liberal Catholics. But they share the belief that Christ is God and that he is the rightful ruler of the world and our hearts.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 4:15:17 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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Another thing I find disturbing is this phenomena of Protestants essentially treating Catholicism on an equal level. For REAL Southern Baptist types, such as myself, the issue has never been about character. Bishop Fulton Sheen came off pretty good. Michael Voris of today, a conservative Catholic, is definitely a good guy. The PROBLEM is in dangerous theology that denies the work of Christ, and joins His good works with our own or with some Saint or Mary to whom they expect us to go through in order to get to Christ. Therefore, this whole “He’s one of us” and this admission that this particular individual was judging Catholicsm by some Catholics reveals the overall vapidity of his thinking process.
The New Anti-Catholicism: Occupy the Vatican
By Francis J. Beckwith
But the new anti-Catholicism does not adopt the posture of a humble and teachable critic seeking to engage the Church on matters over which reasonable citizens from differing theological and secular moral traditions disagree. Rather, it seeks to employ the coercive power of the state to force the Church’s institutions to violate the Church’s own moral theology, and thus compromise, and make less accessible, the Church’s mission of charity and hope.

35 posted on 02/11/2012 4:49:05 PM PST by narses
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To: Apollo5600

What is your Church’s position on the Obama mandate about contraception and abortion?
Is your pastor speaking out about it?

Which one of your church leaders is saying that the President is trampling on religious freedom?

Has any of your church leaders agreed to stand with the Catholic church in defense of life and religious freedom?


37 posted on 02/11/2012 4:56:06 PM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: Apollo5600

“There are not over a 100 people in the U.S. that hate the Catholic Church, there are millions however, who hate what
they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing.” — Bishop Fulton J. Sheen


53 posted on 02/11/2012 9:21:53 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Apollo5600

Why do you even bother to talk about Santorum’s platform when you wouldn’t support the guy no matter what he proposed, just because he is a Catholic? Why the need to justify your intolerance?


55 posted on 02/11/2012 9:40:58 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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