[sr4402]

Both of these are Catholics. When will the church use church discipline?

[bella1]

I would agree. I can only think of only 1 catholic woman that I know who does not practice birth control.

[reefdiver]

If the Church enforced all it's rules there would be no one there, including all the Clergy.

The Church is about seeking forgiveness, God knew from the first human, thru every Disciple, that every one of US were fallen.

[zot]

I’m not surprised that most Catholic women are on birth control, but the Church isn’t forced to provide it for them.

Government dictating to the Church is the issue here, not whether people comply with Church doctrine.

[Mortrey]

This is the true reason for Bath-House Barry’s mandate-
(notice the date this posted...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN2MMuiedI&feature=iv&lr=1&user=RealCatholicTV&src_vid=UC7j6LMJWzI&annotation_id=annotation_515408

[maxwellsmart_agent]

In a debate such as this, there is always a goofball who argues against it. The fact that some people who claim to be Catholic use birth control is a given. But what does that have to do with the whole argument? The fact is that this Jackass in the White House is making me pay for other people to play around with something that ought to be saved for marriage. That is not right. If they want to play around, let them pay for it. Do not make me pay for it.
That is just wrong. Completely wrong, and I will fight against it.

[ConorMacNessa]

The mendacity of these putative Catholics appears to have no end. The Church needs to purge itself of these heretics, and it needs to do so now!

If that drives people away from the Church, so be it! I'd rather be a member of a Holy Remnant, bearing Witness to the Truth of God, than to be a member of a church that gets along by compromising its ideals and failing to live up to the principles on which it was formed - and formed at such great cost in blood.



Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[Jim Noble]

What difference does it make how many Catholic women use birth control?

It would not matter at all if every single one did.

[Mikey_1962]

Vast majority of Catholic women are on birth control.

So?

So an individual CHOOSES to violate Church law.

What does that have to a Government telling a Church that they HAVE NO CHOICE and will follow Government mandates?

[adgirl]

That argument is like saying “Most Jewish people I know eat bacon.” So for argument's sake, let's just say that the long arm of the Obama administration is going to make bacon part of a healthy diet and everybody should pay for it as part of the health plan. Just two slices a day for better health. Should Synagogues be exempt from this?

By this logic, the answer is not only should the Synagogues pay for bacon, they should eat it, because other people do and Obama knows best.

[marstegreg]

Here’s my favorite:
Rep. Gwendolynne Moore declared that Democrats are “not allowing the church to stand on its bully pulpit and separate women from critical, vital health care needs.”

The “democrats are not allowing the church” part should worry everyone. They just don’t get it.

[YankeeReb]

I'm not sure I understand what difference it makes if the Vast majority of Catholic women are on birth control or not. That isn't the question. The issue here is can a religious organization run a charitable institution such as a hospital or school and provide their employees with health insurance that meets their religious criteria? Obama seems to think not.

The GOP candidates need to be asking that question instead of letting the MSM cloud the issue with irrelevant discussions.

In order to cut through the clutter, I suggest that we substitute the words "contraceptives" and "abortion" for "uniforms" and change the word "insurance" to "schools". Now the question is "Can a religious institution run a school and force the students to wear uniforms?" The fact that most students, even Catholic students in public schools don't wear uniforms is irrelevant to the actual question.

[kcvl]

The top campaign contribution to Becerra in 2007-2008 was $16,900 from employees of Broadcasting Media Partners.

Becerra is a prominent member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, of which he served as chairman during the 105th Congress

[married21]

Some of the Catholic women I know have used natural child spacing. Others who are not that committed just let things happen naturally until they have two or three kids, then they get their husband snipped.

[conservaKate]

My understanding is that there has been a rule for over 10 years that if an employer provides insurance that provides for presciptions, that these companies had to provide birth control or be in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights act (re: no descrimination based on sex).

I personally don’t think this has anything to do w/ religious rights but w/ medical rights. If a company does not want to provide prescripton benefits...badda bing...the issue goes away.

This same rule regarding birth control prescriptions has been in effect in many, many states. Again...if this is a fight about state rights vs federal rights...I come down on the side of state rights.

I am just not getting how this is an attack on religion.

[FlingWingFlyer]

Token “Catholics” flapping their jaws for Barry. Throw them out.

[SuziQ]

“I hope that the bishops in my church will stop telling all the parishioners who believe in the Catholic faith that this is a violation of their religious freedom,” said Becerra.

Becerra and many others are using the notion that Catholic women are using artificial birth control to try to negate the Bishops' argument, but he and they should get their facts straight. It's not the religious freedom of the WOMEN that the Bishops are arguing about. It is about the freedom of the Catholic Church to operate without interference of the Federal Govt., THE RIGHT OF WHICH IS ENUMERATED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

[Michael Barnes]

Oh, here we go...

It's not about what followers of the catholic are doing personally, it is what the federal government is trying to force on a church.

Freeze the target.
Polarize it.

Now the libs are going straight after catholics trying to change the tone of the argument in their favor by means of personal attacks.

[Yaelle]

And how many Jews eat lobster? It doesn’t matter how many fall short.

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[Cicero]

I would add another point.

Why should health insurance pay for contraceptive devices for ANYONE?

The purpose of health insurance, like any other insurance, is to provide for emergencies. It makes absolutely no economic sense, let alone moral sense, for health insurance to pay for predictable, regular expenses. Bringing in the insurance companies for such expenses simply adds another layer of bureaucracy, and increases overall costs.

What is the point? It has nothing to do with HEALTH, anyway. If people choose to use contraceptives, let them buy them themselves. This makes no more sense than having a government program to buy people aspirin.