Posted on 01/31/2012 1:30:54 PM PST by Pyro7480
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney says there are no “constitutional rights issues” involved in a regulation issued by the administration that requires all health-care plans in the United States to cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions.
Because the Catholic Church holds that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortion are morally wrong and Catholic cannot be involved in them, the regulation--in combination with the Obamacare mandate that all Americans buy health insurance--will force American Catholics to choose between following the federal regulation or following the teachings of their church.
“I don’t believe there are any constitutional rights issues here,” Carney said when asked at today’s White House briefing about the regulation.
“The administration believes that this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious beliefs and increasing access to important preventative services,” Carney told reporters....
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
Isolated, naked and alone?
I swear FR has gone insane.
Perhaps. Are you sure it's not just you?
Any idea when Cristiada is opening in theaters? We’ve been looking forward to it for two years now.
Yes.
Isolated, naked and alone is no way to go through life fighting Satan, son...
IT’S WORTH REMINDING EVERYONE HOW THIS MONSTROSITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE:
JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING:
Evil, or just Stupid?
October/November 2009 and ObamaCare was stalled in the House, the main sticking point being government funded abortions. There were enough Dems opposed to abortion that refused to vote for the ObamaCare if it contained any abortion language that it would not pass.
Representative Stupak (D) MI introduced his amendment that prohibited any government money from ObamaCare bill being used to fund abortions. This essentially would end all abortions, as no medical procedures outside the ObamaCare System can be done. No going to a doctor and paying him directly for anything. Thus, with his amendment, ALL abortions would be illegal.
This amendment to the House bill, if it passed, would give the above ‘Pro-Life’ Democrats a green light to vote for the ObamaCare bill.
Not enough Democrats supported the Stupak Amendment for it to pass. Many Democrats were vociferously opposed to it. It could only pass with Republican votes.
National Right to Life favored the Stupak Amendment, and insisted that Republicans vote for it. Further, they threatened any Republican who didn’t vote for it with their active opposition to that Republican during the 2010 fall election.
The Republicans caved, even those who could see the eventual outcome, right down to the last man. One hundred percent voted for the Stupak Amendment, along with a bunch of Dems who were opposed to abortions. Stupak handily passed.
Nobody believed the Amendment would stick; eventually it would/will be overridden in some fashion and Government funded abortion would become part of ObamaCare. Abortion is the Prime Sacrament of the Left, and will not be denied government funding, let alone be made illegal.
With a green light, the ’Pro-Life’ Dems could vote for ObamaCare, and although many hard-line Leftists were angry, enough of them also could see the end game, and agreed to vote pass ObamaCare.
A couple days later ObamaCare passed the House.
Everyone knew how this would play out, and it did. Rush spoke about it on his show.
I am of the opinion even National Right to Life knew it would play out this way. I’m not aware of anyone who thought otherwise. That leaves us with two opinions of their leadership;
The NRTL is Stupid Strategy;
1. They are so locked into their ‘stop abortion at all costs’ viewpoint that they can’t operate with a strategy that goes beyond 24 hours. Liberals like to say that ‘conservatives are stupid and easily lead’, this situation is circumstantial proof that Leftists are right from time to time. This is the NRTL Stupid Strategy.
OR
The NRTL is Evil Strategy;
2. They were in cahoots with the Pro-Abort crowd on this, and were complicit in getting ObamaCare passed in the House, ObamaCare which will include a monthly premium from all of us to fund abortions. This would be the NRTL Evil Strategy.
Either way, too stupid, or just evil, they are unfit to lead the movement to reduce or end abortions. Their thuggish actions have brought us to the brink of the enslavement of 300 million Americans, ending of the most advanced medical care in the entire history of the world, and will lead, ironically, to Chinese style government mandated and government funded abortions.
I am unaware of any other organization which has played such a pivotal role against Americans and babies in the ObamaCare fight as National Right to Life has.
In the events leading up to the subject of the movie that was linked to you can see exactly the same sort of propaganda being spread by the "progressives" and the exactly the same sort promised wonderful results as we've seen in this country. Sometimes what the anti-Catholics were saying back then sounds like it could be a press release from the "progressives" in this country these days. Just as the political group that had long dominated Mexican politics pushed things over the edge into clear and direct attacks on The Church, that's exactly what we're seeing in this country where the democrat fascist party has been the majority party with control of the Federal government for most of the past eighty years.
Those who have for so long been in power are not going to let something like the Bill of Rights get in their way and have no intention of losing that power just because they lose control of Congress or otherwise lose Constitutional authority to govern. The Catholic Church stands between them and their goals, and so the Catholic Church will be attacked by whatever means they can bring to bear. They see themselves as the rightful rulers and they'll do what it takes to retain control of the levers of power in order to reach their goals, eugenics based goals they've had for over a century.
http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Drenched-Altars-Francis-Clement-Kelley/dp/0895553198/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328047545&sr=1-1Regards
IT’S WORTH REMINDING EVERYONE HOW THIS MONSTROSITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE:
JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING:
Evil, or just Stupid?
October/November 2009 and ObamaCare was stalled in the House, the main sticking point being government funded abortions. There were enough Dems opposed to abortion that refused to vote for the ObamaCare if it contained any abortion language that it would not pass.
Representative Stupak (D) MI introduced his amendment that prohibited any government money from ObamaCare bill being used to fund abortions. This essentially would end all abortions, as no medical procedures outside the ObamaCare System can be done. No going to a doctor and paying him directly for anything. Thus, with his amendment, ALL abortions would be illegal.
This amendment to the House bill, if it passed, would give the above ‘Pro-Life’ Democrats a green light to vote for the ObamaCare bill.
Not enough Democrats supported the Stupak Amendment for it to pass. Many Democrats were vociferously opposed to it. It could only pass with Republican votes.
National Right to Life favored the Stupak Amendment, and insisted that Republicans vote for it. Further, they threatened any Republican who didn’t vote for it with their active opposition to that Republican during the 2010 fall election.
The Republicans caved, even those who could see the eventual outcome, right down to the last man. One hundred percent voted for the Stupak Amendment, along with a bunch of Dems who were opposed to abortions. Stupak handily passed.
Nobody believed the Amendment would stick; eventually it would/will be overridden in some fashion and Government funded abortion would become part of ObamaCare. Abortion is the Prime Sacrament of the Left, and will not be denied government funding, let alone be made illegal.
With a green light, the ’Pro-Life’ Dems could vote for ObamaCare, and although many hard-line Leftists were angry, enough of them also could see the end game, and agreed to vote pass ObamaCare.
A couple days later ObamaCare passed the House.
Everyone knew how this would play out, and it did. Rush spoke about it on his show.
I am of the opinion even National Right to Life knew it would play out this way. I’m not aware of anyone who thought otherwise. That leaves us with two opinions of their leadership;
The NRTL is Stupid Strategy;
1. They are so locked into their ‘stop abortion at all costs’ viewpoint that they can’t operate with a strategy that goes beyond 24 hours. Liberals like to say that ‘conservatives are stupid and easily lead’, this situation is circumstantial proof that Leftists are right from time to time. This is the NRTL Stupid Strategy.
OR
The NRTL is Evil Strategy;
2. They were in cahoots with the Pro-Abort crowd on this, and were complicit in getting ObamaCare passed in the House, ObamaCare which will include a monthly premium from all of us to fund abortions. This would be the NRTL Evil Strategy.
Either way, too stupid, or just evil, they are unfit to lead the movement to reduce or end abortions. Their thuggish actions have brought us to the brink of the enslavement of 300 million Americans, ending of the most advanced medical care in the entire history of the world, and will lead, ironically, to Chinese style government mandated and government funded abortions.
I am unaware of any other organization which has played such a pivotal role against Americans and babies in the ObamaCare fight as National Right to Life has.
"These are the times that try men's souls."
(The Crisis, Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776)
Indeed these are 'the times' ..... right now in 2012. Although the process has been ongoing for years, it has become ever more apparent in the events of the last three years and crystal clear in the last two weeks, that everything our Founding Fathers fought for and obtained for us at the cost of their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" 236 years ago, has almost slipped away from our grasp.
Tyranny has returned. Its most recent manifestation is the HHS ruling that has put the government squarely between our First Amendment rights and our religion. The government would force us to go against our conscience and our God. The government has been gradually taking away from us our 'unalienable Rights', those endowed to us by our Creator ..... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are not rights given by the government, but given to us as a gift from God.
Paine said in 'The Crisis':
"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God." (Note: wherever you see "Britain" just substitute "U.S. Government")
Plain and simple, we have waited too long to act and the penalty for our acquiescence over the years, our mostly silent acceptance of the imposition of tyranny, is that we are going to have to pay the high price for FREEDOM again. Now we shall have to fight to take our country back, but when will 'We the People" have the will to fight? As Patrick Henry said, in his 'Liberty or Death' speech:
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength but irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? ........ The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged!"
The "delusive phantom of hope". Patrick Henry, in 1775, makes a better argument than our politicians in 2012 against the brand of "hope" we've been force-fed for the last three years. The time is NOW. As Jim Robinson says, "the Rebellion is ON, join or die." It's not a platitude, it's the TRUTH. Churchill said:
"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
So what does this have to do with a prayer thread? It's been a bit of a hike to get here, but the bottom line is that our very souls are at stake, as is the soul of America. Are we going to betray God and continue to go along to get along with what we know is evil and wicked? God says "But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it. ”(Jeremiah 12:17) God also says "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."(2 Chronicles 7:14)
We need God's help. We cannot do this alone. We are God's soldiers in this fight against the evil and wickedness that has invaded the very fabric of our culture and is bringing America to her knees. We need to get on our knees to keep America off of hers. God is with us, He loves us, He loves this country and has blessed it. Let us gather ourselves in prayer and then commit ourselves to action.
I'm sorry, but didn't you notice that Obamacare mandates that most employers must carry health insurance for their employees? And if they drop the insurance, they're hit with huge fines and penalties?
You don't see that that's that's coercion or compulsion?
Seriously?
Bump for later.
....increasing access to important preventative services,” Carney told reporters....
Preventative services would include belonging to a Christian Church. Bet that doesn’t go over to well at the whitehouse.
I finished my 25 year military career in a country that did the same thing with churches, only to return to the US to find we’re headed down the same path.
And multitudes of FReepers threaten to sit out the election if their man does not receive the nomination.
What about this is difficult to understand? Obama makes us ALL complicit in the abortion holocaust.
I call on every FReeper to leave off with the “I will never vote.....” You are playing right into his diabolical hands.
NOTE TO the presidential liar’s mouth piece, in our Constitution, the government is NOT allowed to do anything that is not enumerated in the Constitution. If the Constitution is silent on an issue the people retain their rights on that issue and the government is FORBIDDEN from doing it.
No wonder they don’t want citizens to be taught the real history behind the Constitution and the Federalist Papers.
In simple terms so the genetically inferior president and his minions can understand; If it is not in there the government can’t do it.
“And it will result in, my prediction, mark my words, in a new or second American revolution to become a reality.”
Probably. I can see the Old North Bridge coming into view.
Additionally, any organization can STOP providing healthcare under the new law...and save money.
Now, it's not coercion.
It's a non sequitor.
They can provide, or not provide health insurance.
If they do provide health insurance they must do so in accordance with the law.
It sucks, but it's not a Constitutional issue.
“What part of “Congress shall make no law” does he not understand ?”
Forget the law, winged1. We’re way beyond the law with this thing infesting our Whitehouse. These thugs in Washington don’t obey the rule of law or the Constitution. Why should we obey any “laws” they decree?
We’re heading for Lexington 2.0. Prepare, good buddy.
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