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To: bramps

I haven’t met a pastor who would kick someone out for not donating 10%, but I’ve met several who spend a great deal of time talking about money. On the other hand, I’ve never met a Christian who was oblivious to the fact that churches need donations to survive.

I’m making the point that legalism, a strict requirement to donate a percentage of income, is contrary to New Testament scripture. What do you think Christ would have said about it? He probably would have said ALL of our time and money is the Lord’s and should be treated as such. I can’t give you a precise rule for giving, because there isn’t one. We aren’t subject to the law, and I don’t like it when Christians try to burden their fellow believers with such rules and regulations.


30 posted on 01/26/2012 11:03:39 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can be it. Being good? Now that's something special!)
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To: CitizenUSA
I think this is a good rule:
2 Corinthians 9:6-7
English Standard Version (ESV)

The Cheerful Giver
6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


So Christ would not be happy with any pastor who guilted people into giving. And to bring this full circle, he certainly wouldn't be happy with Mormons who use tithing as a means to move up a hierarchical ladder. And that's the least of their worries
Gotta go get some sleep. Have a nice evening.
34 posted on 01/26/2012 11:25:51 PM PST by bramps (Hypocrites in High Places)
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To: CitizenUSA
I’m making the point that legalism, a strict requirement to donate a percentage of income, is contrary to New Testament scripture.

LEGALISM is the solid foundation of MORMONism.


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



51 posted on 01/27/2012 5:12:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CitizenUSA

Yeah...

the above (Word of Wisdom) IS what is mentioned in those Temple Recommend questions posted earlier.


52 posted on 01/27/2012 5:13:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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