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Newt and Mitt: Two Sides of the Same Coin
Townhall.com ^ | January 23, 2012 | Rebecca Hagelin

Posted on 01/23/2012 11:20:48 AM PST by Kaslin

Many folks who oppose Mitt Romney do so due to the uncertainty of where he will stand on certain issues; his support of the individual mandate that forces people to buy health care insurance; and a general tendency to abandon conservative principles when expedient.

When you look past Newt Gingrich's marvelous oratory skills and unrivaled ability to "articulate" what most Americans believe, you start discovering a politician with many of the same issues that plague Romney.

Romney and Gingrich both give great lip service about the sanctity of marriage and family values. But while Romney's past reveals he doesn't always stand up and defend marriage when the going gets rough, well, Gingrich's past reveals - in a very different way - that he doesn't either. Both politicians claim they have "seen the light" and are now staunch supporters of traditional marriage. And, I for one, still doubt that both of them really do. And I seriously question whether either man has the conviction to unflinchingly stand for the rights and protection of the preborn when there are deals to be made - which there always are in Washington.

When it comes to a plethora of conservative issues, both politicians are found wanting. Romney, has a "moderate" take on nearly everything; Newt, while seemingly a staunch economic conservative, is a supporter of big government in critical areas - as a champion of the ethanol mandates; of the Endangered Species Act; and of the huge government prescription drug debacle. All of which, by the way, have huge negative economic impacts on our economy, jobs and our future.

The big difference between the two sides of the Mitt/Newt counterfeit conservative coin is this: while a Romney presidency will be dangerous to the preservation of conservative principles, a Gingrich presidency has the ability to entirely obliterate much of what we hold dear. Why? Because Romney has never been a Capitol Hill insider and thus doesn't know the ropes, and he can't seem to inspire passion or wield much influence. Gingrich, on the other hand, knows precisely how the system works and has the personality of a pit bull on steroids. And he has worked the system brilliantly - both for good and bad- for many years, as Congressman, as Speaker of the House, as a Washington power broker. He is a bully who thrives on power, fueled by an ego and an appetite that can't be matched. And he has repeatedly demonstrated that he behaves exactly how he wants to behave in every situation. When Newt wants it - Newt gets it. Period.

And that makes Newt much more dangerous to many of our conservative principles than Mitt could ever hope to be.

The ability that Newt has to make us forget or discount his many ethical violations in the past - both personal and as Speaker - makes my blood run cold. Do I believe in forgiveness? Of course I do. But forgiving Newt of his many martial infidelities is between God and Newt, and the people Newt betrayed and Newt. While God erases all sins of those who truly confess, the harm done largely remains. In the case of the adulterer, the families remain fractured; in the case of the arsonist, the building is still in ashes; in the case of the murderer, the victim is still dead.

And, on this earth, there are still consequences, even for the forgiven. In Newt's wake, there is human carnage - people he has used and discarded at will, and a legacy of repeatedly violating the public trust of the American people. His constant display of poor judgment over the years shows that he is fatally marred by, well, by poor judgment - and an ego so huge he always seems to believe he can "get away with it". The combination of poor judgment, repeated ethical violations and an unbridled ego is a recipe for disaster. And the very last thing you want to give a person with that record is the most powerful position in the world. Espcially if that person enjoys being a bully and has the oratory ability to intimidate and manipulate; and the uncanny ability to tell the masses exactly what they want to hear - and convince them to actually believe it.

Neither Romney nor Gingrich is an acceptable choice for conservatives who believe in timeless values. It's time to discard the fool's gold and put our efforts behind the real deal.

I have written a column on why Rick Santorum is both the best man to beat Obama, and why he is a good man - a man we can depend on to champion conservative principles with strength, conviction, wisdom and humility. A man who know how to get things done - ethically. I hope you will read it and prayerfully consider supporting Santorum - our best hope - for president.


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To: Joe 6-pack

I must say, Santorum’s answers on #10 and #14 do sound potentially promising, as they touch on private arms issues that transcend hunting. But they are still issues that hassle hunters too (Uncle Sam and the hunters may not agree on what a “sporting” arm is, for example). I hope it’s only a matter of his website being out of date, if he really has opened his views to the self defense crowd.


81 posted on 01/23/2012 5:14:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oh...compare and contrast Santorum's response to Question 14, "Would you support a repeal of the 1993 Brady instant check?" on his survey above with Newt's reply on his 2012 GOA survey.
82 posted on 01/23/2012 5:15:29 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Georgia Gun Owners Blast Newt Gingrich

Thanks for the link.

83 posted on 01/23/2012 5:15:45 PM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Kaslin

Paulnuts are tenacious, illogical things. Probably easier to get Santorum to concede, but that probably won’t happen for a few more primaries. Gingrich’s win of SC seems to be the handwriting on the wall for his nomination (it has been since 1980). In the meantime Santorum will worry out loud some more about how can you count on Gingrich, not even thinking to double check how his own church vetted Gingrich.


84 posted on 01/23/2012 5:18:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"I hope it’s only a matter of his website being out of date, if he really has opened his views to the self defense crowd."

Rick has never had closed views on self defense.

85 posted on 01/23/2012 5:19:35 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: All

1998 was the last year that Gingrich, Paul and Santorum were all in Congress. Gingrich’s annual and lifetime ACU ratings were better than both of the others:

(100% = perfect conservative voting record)

100% - Gingrich: Annual 1998 ACU Rating (90% Lifetime Rating as of 1998)

88% - Paul: Annual 1998 ACU Rating (88% Lifetime Rating as of 1998)

84% - Santorum: Annual 1998 ACU Rating (83% Lifetime Rating as of 1998)

Source: http://www.conservative.org/ratings/ratingsarchive/1998/98houseratings.htm


86 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:00 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Joe 6-pack

So Newt won’t. Putting “Brady” in it is like, of course, waving a crucifix at a vampire, even though the system vastly disappointed the Bradyites who pushed for something much more nannily.

I am curious, who is out there complaining about being stymied by that system? It means among other things that the failure to get a Federal no for ANY reason (including systems down) means a yes.


87 posted on 01/23/2012 5:21:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We simply must have a fighter !

This Nation is too close to the edge of the abyss for Rick to pick up some on the job experience.

Newt's been doing battle with - and whoopin' - these marxist bastards for years.

And without that fire, our Constitution is finished.

Does the man have baggage ?
Discounting the self-righteously blind, who doesn't ??

Is he the only one of this crop with the remotest chance of leading a successful TEA POWER revolt to retake our country ?

HELL YES

88 posted on 01/23/2012 5:23:27 PM PST by tomkat (proudly voted Sarah '08 & wanna do it again ! Newt/Sarah '12)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Santorum voted yes on a bill that would make gun manufactures legally liable for crimes of offenses that others committed with their manufactured guns.


89 posted on 01/23/2012 5:27:21 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: tomkat

Santorum had been reportedly bucking for the veep slot under Mitt. Newt seems to have said he wants Allan West. Of course we know what’s coming if/when this happens — West gets called Uncle Tom by every Sharpton shyster out there. Santorum might make sense as a veep (for Gingrich). He would be the heir apparent to the GOP candidacy eight years hence.


90 posted on 01/23/2012 5:27:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: rbmillerjr

Hey, nobody’s perfect :-)


91 posted on 01/23/2012 5:28:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kaslin
Not that their egos will allow them to do so, but for the sake of this election and the Nation's very future, they both need to grab a reality check and head to the cashier's desk.

/.02

92 posted on 01/23/2012 5:29:42 PM PST by tomkat (proudly voted Sarah '08 & wanna do it again ! Newt/Sarah '12)
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To: All

Arlen Specter.

Santorum needs to go, he tried but FL is not IOW the way SC was not IOWA.

He does not help republicans he only helps Rinos.

At this point he is just a useful idiot vote splitter.


93 posted on 01/23/2012 5:34:02 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"I am curious, who is out there complaining about being stymied by that system? It means among other things that the failure to get a Federal no for ANY reason (including systems down) means a yes."

The instant check computers have periodic outages and false positives happen from time to time. Me personally? I'm not big on having to meet some faceless bureaucrat's criteria in order to exercise a God given right. In as much as criminals are going to get firearms anyways (if not have them provided gratis by the DOJ), the Brady Act is simply an intrusion on law abiding citizens.

94 posted on 01/23/2012 5:34:22 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sanitorium wont be on Gingrich’s ticket. Not after the personal, “he’s not stable” Left wing attacks coming from Santorum.

Gingrich/Perry organization/money/great national network of supporters

Gingrich/West a long shot possible


95 posted on 01/23/2012 5:36:03 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr
"Santorum voted yes on a bill that would make gun manufactures legally liable for crimes of (sic) offenses that others committed with their manufactured guns."

To the contrary, Santorum voted "yes" on a bill that would prevent gun manufacturers from being held liable for crimes committed with their products.

In 2005, the US Senate voted on S 397 - The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. The act sought to protect gun manufacturers, retailers, and suppliers from being sued for crimes or accidents involving the weapons they sold or manufactured. The legislation came to a vote in July of 2005 and passed the Senate with a vote of 65-31. Rick Santorum voted in favor of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

96 posted on 01/23/2012 5:45:28 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rbmillerjr
Santorum's statement on S.397:

Mr. SANTORUM:

Mr. President, I rise to express my support of S. 397, the Protection of Lawful Commerce Act introduced my colleague Senator CRAIG of Idaho.

The number of frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers has significantly increased in recent years. Since 1998, dozens of municipalities and cities have filed suit against America's firearm industry, falsely alleging that manufacturers are responsible for the unforeseen acts of criminals. Firearms manufacturers have already pent more than $200 million in legal fees yet have not been found liable by a single court for the criminal misuse of their highly regulated products. Unfortunately, these lawsuits appear to be designed to impose a political agenda that 33 State legislatures have already rejected. Lawsuits against manufacturers who have nothing to do with the crime at hand thwart the will of the people by bypassing their elected representatives and attempting to impose novel legal theories by judicial fiat. Worse, these suits--even while unsuccessful--drain significant resources from these companies that are the backbone of supplying our military and police officers with the weapons to protect themselves on the job. We cannot allow this trend to continue.

S. 397 is a narrowly crafted bill that stops the lawsuit abuse, while continuing to hold those individuals and companies that knowingly violate the law liable for their actions. Specifically, the bill provides that lawsuits may not be brought against manufacturers and sellers of firearms or ammunition if the suits are based on criminal or unlawful use of the product by a third party. This bill provides carefully tailored protections that continue to allow legitimate suits based on knowing violations of Federal or State law related to gun sales, or on traditional grounds including negligent entrustment, such as sales to a child or an obviously intoxicated person or breach of contract. The bill also allows product liability cases involving actual injuries caused by an improperly functioning firearm, as opposed to cases of intentional misuse.

Many of my constituents have raised concerns about frivolous lawsuits in the gun industry. Pennsylvania leads the Nation in the number of licensed deer hunters and ranks among the leaders in firearm hunters. There are nearly three million hunting licenses sold in Pennsylvania each year. Over one million hunters go out in the field each fall. These suits, by threatening the survival of firearms makers, threaten to end that outdoor tradition and the family time that often accompanies it.

The hard-working men and women in Pennsylvania who make up our labor unions also support S. 397. This should be no surprise, however, as working men and women recognize a threat to their jobs and their way of life when they see one. The numbers are telling. Pennsylvania has 227 companies involved in firearms manufacture. There are over 3,000 federally licensed firearms dealers. According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, there are approximately 34,000 jobs and $909 million in salaries and wages supported by those businesses and sportsmen in Pennsylvania. Additionally, these Pennsylvania sportsmen spend about $2 billion in the State, generating approximately $119 million in Pennsylvania State tax revenue.

Many families' lives are negatively impacted by these reckless lawsuits. While many of the personal tragedies behind these lawsuits are horrific, the individual responsible is--as it has always been in our system of justice--the criminal not the lawfully operating company. If a lawsuit is based on a defective firearm, a knowing violation of the law or the breach of a contract, that suit should proceed--and S. 397 would allow it to proceed. However, the frivolous suits with novel legal theories and invented liability have already cost jobs, including here in Pennsylvania, and they will cost more jobs if they continue. They will force company closures and they will close family businesses. Suing law-abiding gun makers and dealers for the acts of criminals is like suing automobile makers for the damage caused by reckless drivers. It is wrong and goes against the entrepreneurial and industrial spirit of this country.

I agree there is a need to reduce violent crime, and I share the concerns of gun control advocates with the number and severity of violent acts occurring within our Nation. During a June 13th field hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee in Philadelphia, we learned about the many factors that contribute to the problem of youth violence including poverty, broken families, a lack of mentors, and loose enforcement of current gun laws. I believe it is necessary to focus on the root causes of these problems rather than develop a policy that appears helpful on the surface. I have worked and continue to work on the issues of poverty, broken families and mentoring, however I believe that greater enforcement of existing gun laws is a key part of the solution to eradicating gun violence.

The program ``Project Exile'' is an example of how stricter enforcement of current laws can make a difference. For this reason, I have been involved in implementing Project Exile in Philadelphia. This program began in Richmond, VA, and has proven to be extremely successful in reducing gun crime by simply enforcing existing Federal gun laws. The program adopts a zero-tolerance policy for Federal gun crimes. Federal, State and local law enforcement and prosecutors work hand-in-hand to expedite prosecution of each and every Federal firearms violation under Project Exile. Thanks to Project Safe Neighborhoods and Project Exile, Federal prosecutions of firearms offenses have gone up 91 percent since 2000. Nationally, those prosecutions have jumped 76 percent in the same time period. That means that more criminals are serving hard time for breaking Federal gun laws. More criminals off the street means our citizens are safer. That is a much more effective way to fight crime than punishing innocent manufacturers through frivolous lawsuits.

I encourage my colleagues to support S. 397. Doing so will help an industry that is being unfairly targeted for violent crimes, and allow us to continue to focus on the real causes of violent crimes.

97 posted on 01/23/2012 5:51:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

What I was trying to say is the system seems to be built to err on the side of permission, which has to grate on the actual Brady teeth.

I did not know it was faceless bureaucrats who set the law the system has to follow (though they may well administer it).

BTW, about Newt’s idea of using fingerprints to make the system go, I think he would find that most unknown armed assailants never bothered to go through the system. So we would have the FBI rooting around in a database of virtually all innocents. That can’t augur well.


98 posted on 01/23/2012 5:59:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Joe 6-pack

“to the contrary, Santorum voted “yes” on a bill that would prevent gun manufacturers from being held liable for crimes committed with their products.”

Nope.

Do a little more extensive research and you will find out that Santorum voted against a like bill...before he voted for it.

I’m guessing 96 was an election year for him.


99 posted on 01/23/2012 6:04:19 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr

Gingrich can be magnanimous — I don’t think Santorum sniping would prevent his consideration once he has conceded (and the sooner the concession the better).


100 posted on 01/23/2012 6:09:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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