[manc]

say I owe the bank 50 grand and borrow another 10 grand then in liberal logic my debt decreases.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE IDIOTS ON THE LEFT GET HALF A BRAIN.

The more you borrow the more debt you go in , FRIGGING IDIOTS.

[cake_crumb]

"say I owe the bank 50 grand and borrow another 10 grand then in liberal logic my debt decreases."

Actually, according to liberal logic, as long as you use a portion of the 10 grand in debt cieling increase to "pay your bills", your spending is perfectly responsible.