Posted on 12/19/2011 1:34:47 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
This is the season of the year when Salvation Army volunteers are on the streets and outside stores ringing their bells to encourage donors to fill their red kettles with money for the poor. The longtime Christian organization provides food, shelter, elderly services, disaster relief, prisoner rehabilitation and many other forms of aid.
But it also has adopted a position statement that is a step toward abortion, and pro-life leaders are expressing alarm at what they see developing.
In its statement on abortion, the Salvation Army says: "A number of biblical and theological principles underpin The Salvation Army's position on abortion. …
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Disappointing for sure. I will be calling their office tomorrow.
However, I still don’t think that’s the same as an organization who is directly funding Planned Parenthood & espousing abortion for rape, incest, and the infamous “life of the mother” slippery slope
I’m not sure how you can make such a comment “strongly pro-life”! They are ok’ing abortion for rape & incest. That is NOT pro-life.
Because of this I believe their donations will suffer. I know they won’t get mine.
So basically, to you, Jesus didn't need to come at all. He might have sugar-coated the Ten Commandments a little bit, but they're still the bottom line. Fail, go to hell. What else does God need? The rest of that love and forgiveness stuff is just fuzzy liberal thinking.
Go get em', tiger.
Huh???
So, your philosophy is that it is perfectly acceptable to execute an INNOCENT BABY for the baby's father's crime even though it is unconstitutional to execute the father?
If your father rapes someone is it okay to execute you? And if not, why not?
That's gonna leave a mark...
So your philosophy is that the RAPED WOMAN is merely a toaster that pops out a baby, with no rights, needs or even potential damage emotionally or mentally from the rape, that matters (and probably even physically as long as she technically survives) and certainly no right over deciding whether a baby can take over her body for nine months without her consent, or her life for decades after, without her consent.
BUT - lemme guess here - mothers, and motherhood itself, is of sacred value to you because of those non-physical intangible mental and emotional qualities of love and acceptance precisely because they are not imposed upon a mother like slavery, but offered voluntarily by the mother to the child out of sheer love.
Oh, and one more thing - nuance and conditions are bullshit when it comes to rape and pregancy, because murder is murder. But if you carry a gun and use it for self-defesne, then it's not murder because of nuance and conditions. Right?
I guess it's not hypocrisy if you can sleep at night. And, of course, there are drugs for that (prescription, of course, otherwise its a crime that should be punished to the full extent of the law).
IBTZ.
The position on abortion of being "not at any time and not for any reason" is a specifically Roman Catholic position. In fact, at one time there was a popular prejudice among Protestants against having babies at Catholic hospitals because if it came to a choice of the baby or the mother, the hospital would save the baby and let the mother die.
Right and wrong are determined by Divine Law, not by secular moral instincts. According to this Divine Law the vast majority of abortions are forbidden, and many of these (though not all) are actually capital offenses. However, in a very few special instances (such as when a baby is a rodef, a "pursuer" who is about to kill the mother, and has not yet arrived at the point of "ensoulment") abortion is actually mandatory (after "ensoulment" abortion is forbidden even to save the mother's life and is murder). But either way, whether an abortion is forbidden or mandatory, is determined by Divine Law and not by human reasoning, sentiment, or instincts--and certainly not by anyone's "choice!"
I do not post this to defend abortion (G-d forbid!), but to remind everyone that secular morality--the determining of whether a thing is right or wrong based on anything other than G-d's Laws--is the very essence of the secularism and humanism that got us here to begin with.
Let G-d's holy laws determine right and wrong in all issues.
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This has NEVER been the Catholic position.
Catholics, as well as all true Christians, believe that a mother's life is sacred and will permit any MEDICALLY-NECESSARY procedure to save the mother's life even if it results in the tragic loss of the baby.
Rape is not a capital crime for the criminal, why do you believe it should be for a baby?
BUT - lemme guess here - mothers, and motherhood itself, is of sacred value to you because of those non-physical intangible mental and emotional qualities of love and acceptance precisely because they are not imposed upon a mother like slavery, but offered voluntarily by the mother to the child out of sheer love.
So, motherhood is like "slavery"? By your logic, any woman who doesn't want to be pregnant should be allowed to have an abortion, rape or not.
Get a grip.
A baby is a separate human being with it’s own DNA from the moment of conception, regardless of the circumstances surrounding that conception. People with your mentality belong living in China, not the U.S or any other civilized nation that recognizes human right.
No one has a right to an abortion even a woman victimized by rape. But everyone does have the right to life.
Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of women who have had abortion due to rape express their deep regret over their “choice”.
You need the zot, you death troll.
The position on abortion of being "not at any time and not for any reason" is a specifically Roman Catholic position.
This has NEVER been the Catholic position.
Catholics, as well as all true Christians, believe that a mother's life is sacred and will permit any MEDICALLY-NECESSARY procedure to save the mother's life even if it results in the tragic loss of the baby.
I stand corrected, and apologize to you and to all Catholics. I assure you that my statement was out of ignorance and not out of malice.
The purpose of my post was to point out that, like everything else in life, the fate of the unborn should be determined by Divine Law. Most of the time abortion is strictly forbidden and a capital offense. Sometimes it is strictly forbidden, but not a capital offense. And in a very few, specific instances it is mandatory. In other cases the baby may not be terminated for any reason whatsoever, including the health of the mother.
In all these cases it is not "choice" or secular ethics that should determine the outcome but adherence to Divine Law. Morality separated from Divine Law is the essence of Marxism, humanism, and all other non-Theistic moral/ethical systems.
Ectopic pregnancies are the most common instances of risk to the mother. The baby cannot survive, but the mother will also die if the pregnancy continues. If the intent is to save the mother, it is morally right and the intent never to kill the baby.
Pregnancies from rape and incest are extremely rare (about 3200 per year in the United States) and nobody will deny that they are tragic; however, the pregnancies themselves are no more likely to cause a risk to the mother's life than any other pregnancy.
That kind of statement wraps a mantle of prayer around killing a pre-born baby. If someone prays and then kills a pre-born baby, they were praying to their own murderousness.
acknowledging the tremendous pressures that occur during an unexpected pregnancy.
That is the "society must have made her do it" path that way too many pro-lifers race down via their refusal to acknowledge the moral culpability of adult women who walk into abortion clinics and sign their names to make the abortion happen.
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