Posted on 12/19/2011 1:34:47 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
This is the season of the year when Salvation Army volunteers are on the streets and outside stores ringing their bells to encourage donors to fill their red kettles with money for the poor. The longtime Christian organization provides food, shelter, elderly services, disaster relief, prisoner rehabilitation and many other forms of aid.
But it also has adopted a position statement that is a step toward abortion, and pro-life leaders are expressing alarm at what they see developing.
In its statement on abortion, the Salvation Army says: "A number of biblical and theological principles underpin The Salvation Army's position on abortion. …
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Then every one decided I was an evil nefarious liberal who had come out of nowhere to "promote abortion."
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That is an exaggeration. I certainly did not decide anything of the kind, and I would doubt that I am alone.
What I have seen is a highjacking of this thread, and what appears to me to be an intentional attempt to pit Catholics against Protestants.
You are exactly right.
There are plenty of thread in the Religion Forum to discuss Jewish vs. Christian beliefs, this thread is about abortion.
As for the absurd notion that Judaism is fine with a great many abortions, it should be pointed out that this is a PRO-LIFE forum.
Remember me when some Catholic is laughing at you and attacking you for not believing in "apostolic tradition" and calling you a "Bible-worshiper."
Have a nice day.
Thank you. You do the same.
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If any doubts remained, the above should end them.
Shame on you.
Judaism is not "fine with a great many abortions." The vast majority, if not all abortions today, are strictly forbidden.
I will assume you are letting your emotions speak for you because the alternative is not pleasant to contemplate.
The rules of an Internet forum can no more dilute the Laws of G-d than can the religious beliefs of America's Founding Fathers. It is what it is.
NOBODY disputes the fact that there are differences between Judaism and Christianity; however, that isn't what this thread is about.
ALL orthodox Christians (be they Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox) agree that abortion is ALWAYS WRONG unless the mother's life is at stake.
YOU are trying to defend some bizarre position under which YOU CLAIM Judaism is fine with abortion for a great many reasons up until the moment of birth. Whether this is the case or not is irrelevant as Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum.
ZC, you are like an ex-smoker who now believes that you have the absolute moral authority to force everyone else in the world to stop smoking because you NOW know everything there is to know. Well, you don’t.
I told you before. You have a lot of ‘knowledge’ but not very much wisdom. Stop letting ‘scholars’ do your thinking for you. Quite often, the ‘scholars’ are wrong, and even MORE often, they have an agenda.
Sorry, no, wrong answer.
Its the rejection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, that causes this division between you and I, not the "rejection of the oral Torah."
Zionist Conspirator showed his ignorance. I have many Catholic friends. Some on FR. And we all agree that Jesus is Lord. What’s to laugh at?
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Absolutely. Some of my best friends are Catholics and Protestants. :)
My apologies. I never even looked at the top of this thread. I just assumed this thread was in the Religion Forum, and engaged the debate under that assumption. I did not realize until now it is in the news forum.
Mea culpa.
I understand. No apology is necessary.
Easy mistake to make, considering....
LOL!!!
:)
While I, of course, am an avowed heretic. LOL
LOL! Nice to see you, friend. :)
“As for the absurd notion that Judaism is fine with a great many abortions, it should be pointed out that this is a PRO-LIFE forum”
Yes, yet those toward the beginning of this thread who were defending the SA & making exceptions for abortion are still here, hiding in the shadows. Shame SHAME on them.
Really? Earlier you said that abortion was sinful but not a capital offense (e.g. murder) before the soul entered the body and that in Jews the soul didn't enter until the head was in the birth canal.
I will assume you are letting your emotions speak for you because the alternative is not pleasant to contemplate.
Yes, the fact that an innocent American is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS is emotional and unpleasant to contemplate.
The rules of an Internet forum can no more dilute the Laws of G-d than can the religious beliefs of America's Founding Fathers. It is what it is.
Yes, and you have stated that the Laws of God allow abortion up to the first trimester in non-Jews and up until birth for Jews; however, you have been able to provide any Biblical support for this claim.
The pro-life group, ALL, is stronger yet:
“NOTE FROM ALL: Although this article asks if the Salvation Army is marching toward abortion support, a reading of the Salvation Army’s position makes it clear that it already does support abortion – in the cases of “life of the mother” and “fetal deformity” – as well as some cases of rape and incest and it also supports abortifacient birth control.”
snip http://www.all.org/charities?page=4#Salvation_Army_USA
I learned a year, or two ago, from ALL that the Salvation Army has exceptions.
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