Posted on 12/19/2011 1:34:47 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
This is the season of the year when Salvation Army volunteers are on the streets and outside stores ringing their bells to encourage donors to fill their red kettles with money for the poor. The longtime Christian organization provides food, shelter, elderly services, disaster relief, prisoner rehabilitation and many other forms of aid.
But it also has adopted a position statement that is a step toward abortion, and pro-life leaders are expressing alarm at what they see developing.
In its statement on abortion, the Salvation Army says: "A number of biblical and theological principles underpin The Salvation Army's position on abortion. …
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I would agree. However, I know people who hold these positions who consider themselves pro-life.
The abortions listed are about 1-2% of all abortions.
I can see no reason to kill the baby because the mother’s life is allegedly at stake. My understanding is most issues do not occur to effect the mother don’t occur until after 25 weeks, so why not deliver the baby and try to save them, rather than kill them.
As far as rape and incest, the baby is innocent of the crimes of the father, why should that be a death sentence for the child.
You haven’t answered my question
And here’s another question for you: what about the other sources linked that are not from WND?? Still think it’s just “stirring up crap”???
I have no problem either when abortion is a result of rape or incest...that's a non issue as far as I'm concerned.
With all that being said tho, the Salvation Army's primary mission is to aid and administer help to those in need, especially in times of catastrophic events. Abortion counceling is for the individual's family and/or clergy and not a primary, let alone secondary, function of the Salvation Army...........
As stated above, WND is stirring up crap where crap doesn't exist...........
I agree with you. But I would also add that those who hold those positions & still think of themselves as pro-life are delusional.
Killing a baby for any reason is not pro-life.
A non-issue??? So abortion is ok with you? For what other crimes of the father do you sentence the child to death?
You know this is a pro-life forum, correct??
I don’t care what SA’s “primary mission” is.....that isn’t a license to condone abortion.
And the crap does indeed exist. But, I wouldn’t expect you to see it, since YOU are part of the problem.
There was also that “missle contrail” story they fabricated that was thoroughly debunked.
I never saw WND as a completely reliable source. I always take them with a heavy grain of salt, and look for other sources.
Babies that will not live long after birth should be killed why? how about old ladies and men who will not live much longer due to alcoholism, drug abuse, obesity, etc. Should we spare the country the additional cost of their healthcare by terminating theirs lives early?
I would agree to terminating the life of the person who committed these acts of rape and incest but I do not understand why an inncent baby should be put to death.
It appears that the Salvation Army is now just a fund raising organization and has gotten away from the salavation. I would think that salvation of the innocent and infirm what they were all about. Now, it appears that they are just another lefty organization. How sad.
I oppose abortion under any circumstances, including rape, incest etc.
But I don’t see their statement as proof they contribute to PP, or support infanticide in any way.
I could care less about the "other" links. The Salvation Army is what it is and has rendered aid and comfort to just as many people as the Red Cross..........
Here's a thought, how about the rest of this country taking your lead and defunding and terminating all contributions to the Salvation Army? In other words, LETS PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS!
Will that make you happy?
If you want proof that they support PP then check the other links. Also, do a FR search. This has been posted elsewhere
How about this: how about people instead give money to a PTO-life charity that does not support or enable abortion in any way.
Should say PRO life.
The Red Cross says it is not involved with abortion. But in a number of cases, Red Cross societies have been involved as partners in programs that involve contraception.
Lets defund Red Cross too! Damn, lets just get rid of all these charitable organizations that have anything whatsoever to do with abortion, regardless of whether or not abortion is a primary concern of these foundations....
That should make you happy too, right?
It makes no sense, given their strong pro-family anti-homosexist stance, that they would turn around and outright condone and support abortion.
Homosexualist Alinksy-style smear tactic, maybe?? Especially how the homos have been calling for a boycott on SA recently??
Let me articulate my position loud & clear for you:
I am not saying we should close down charities. I am saying these organizations have been less than forthcoming about how donations are being utilized. The Salvation Army has released a pro-choice statement regarding their stance on abortion. Also, there is evidence that some money donated to SA is then being shuffled over to PP. Private citizens have a right to decide who they donate their money to & therefor have a right to this information.
In light of the Salvation army’s willingness to support abortion, I will not be donating to them (or any other organization who has no problem with taking an innocent life). I would encourage other pro-life FReepers and conservatives to do the same.
Life Decisions international, a very pro-life org, has identifier the Salvatiin Army as a supporter of Planned Parenthood in 2009.
I linked their website above.
Unscrupulous people are constantly trying to infiltrate and undermine good organizations. In the 1980’s, my home town’s Salvation Army got busted for selling property to “friends” at a highly reduced price. When I lived in upstate New York, the Syracuse Rescue Mission got conned by a “2 for 1” matching scam, which made off with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Child molesters try to infiltrate churches and schools. It’s the way of an evil world. Sociopaths are really good at presenting themselves as Light.
A few years ago, Salvation Army was prominent in a Super Bowl halftime show. Probably brought in a lot of money that did good for a lot of people, but “rock’n’roll dancing chicks in hot pants” ain’t exactly the best presentation for a Christian organization.
Well, whadda ya know, it looks like St. Vincent isn't immune from that little thing called "abortion" either..........
Vincent de Paul Society Supporting Abortion-providing Health Care Plan
In all fairness to St. Vincent, their intent on the abortion topic is no more toxic or complicit than what you are attempting to lay on the Salvation Army........
If you wish to continue to condemn the Salvation Army then you must also use your same standard to condemn your own precious charity..........
The Salvation Army website links to its position statement on abortion. While it’s not as pure as some might like, it’s very strongly pro-life.
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