Kim Jong-il is dead [Main Thread]

[TigerLikesRooster]

Kim Jong-il is dead

[jhpigott]

Any Kim Jong-nam sitings at the funeral? I imagine if he is there, it would be with a Chinese delegation so as to avoid any assassination attempt.

[AmericanInTokyo]

They would still poison the mabo daofu no doubt. I think he must have had SERIOUS second thoughts, the Chinese must have said that he would be dead meat if he set foot in that place, and now they have him under protective custody. What is also strange is that no report of Son Number Two, that faggot Kim Jong Chol, at the funeral today either. And he is known to be in Pyongyang as some lower level Party flunky given a desk job where he cannot get into any trouble. I guess the old man wanted to clearly disfavor two of the three sons to make it crystal clear as to who would take over and there would be no claims from the other two that “No! Dad said that it was ME he want to steer the ship” afterwards, that kind of sibling stuff. One also wonders if Kim Jong chol is even safe up there.

[AdmSmith]

One of the reasons that they said no to foreigners at the funeral might have been that they wanted to prevent a big Chinese delegation to do something behind the scenes. This was the face saving operation to say no to China.

Kim Jong-un is just a puppet in the hands of Jang Song-taek.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Indeed. The Imperial Regent “Fishlips” clearly has the Boy on a very short least. He is wooden, nervous, way in over his head, probably scared shitless, and following everything that has been written for him to do and to act. They are not even letting him speak publicly. A true leader (which would come with age, such as somebody maybe in late 40s or early 50s thrust into this position) would start giving the real orders and showing who is boss. Kim Jong Un is merely a puppet, a figurehead, for the power behind the throne, Fishlips Jang, and his wife, Blackeyes.

[AdmSmith]

+ Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Yes. He is right up there in the troika.

[caww]

Looks like your rendition of Kim was pretty close as we see the peoples comments coming out of N.Korea.

Some in the crowd could be heard shouting: .........”How could you leave us? ......What are we supposed to do without you?”

The state media used the snowy weather to bolster myths about Kim Jong-il’s birth in a log cabin on the Korean peninsula’s highest peak, Mount Paektu, although Soviet records show he was born in Russia.

......”The feathery snowfall reminds the Korean people of the snowy day when the leader was born in the secret camp of Mount Paektu and of the great revolutionary career that he followed through snowdrifts,”..... the Korea Central News Agency said.

....”It seems the sky knows well of how much he got snowed on during his uninterrupted field guidance tour for the happiness of the people.”....

Citing the snowy weather, one soldier told North Korean state TV:..... “A national tragedy has occurred … how could the sky not cry?.... The people are all crying tears of blood.”

Seo Ju-rim, a weeping female soldier, said:.... “Seeing this white snow fall has made me think of the general’s efforts, and this brings tears to my eyes.”

On Wednesday, state media declared that the country was now in the.... “warm care”..... of Kim Jong-un.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/28/kim-jong-il-funeral-thousands-mourn

[caww]

“The former leader’s two other sons, ...Kim Jong-nam and Kim Jong-chol,.... did not appear in any of the footage”... according to the Guardian News articles.

I truly wonder about the son EUN....is he captive or leader or both. Perhaps an unwilling figurehead possible? But then we do see him following his father around “pointing” to things as so often Kim did. A mystery of how this will play out in the long run.

[caww]

I expect high level DPRK defections over the next six months.

Well it's no small thing to attempt escape from N.Korea...I suspect the leadership are all watching each other. But if Kim's Chef could escape it would seem quite possible other leadership could cut and run as well.

[caww]

I believe, that Pyongyang said it was live, but it appeared to be taped and they sent it some hours after the event

"The Russian and Chinese media said the images coming from Pyongyang on Wednesday were live, but the abundance of natural light at the end, just as it was getting dark in Seoul, suggested they were recorded."

It also had odd splicings of the famous crying and scenes that did not match. Like I said, those female soldiers are the WORST!

"a clearly audible outpouring of grief from mourners, most of whom were wearing dark green military uniforms....estimated 200,000 mourners,... mostly in military uniform."

Interesting tid-bit...." For the 'three-hour procession' ... the capital's citizens had been mobilised to clear snow from the funeral cortege's 40km route".....Looks like even clearing the snow was put on the citizens to do for this show.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/28/kim-jong-il-funeral-thousands-mourn

[SevenofNine]

OH AIT I knew that that was all acting I saw some perhaps best overacting on serveral occasion on CNN International the state TV interview one Female soldier she was crying BIG TIME LOL! you know it overacting LOL!

[SevenofNine]

She is North Korean version of Margret Beufort mother of Henry VII LOL!

Least Henry VII has brains beat Richard Duke of York in battle LOL!

I doubt Chia Chub has any brains LOL!

BTW UK Daily Mail has great coverage today over the funeral

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079237/Kim-Jong-Il-funeral-Millions-crying-North-Koreans-line-Pyongyangs-snow-bound-streets.html

[rdl6989]

Video coverage:

http://media.theage.com.au/news/world-news/live-kim-jongils-funeral-2861705.html

[listenhillary]

Probably has already been posted.

Human rights group U.N. Watch sends out this photo of the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva flying its flag at half mast for the funeral of dead North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il.

U.N. Watch says other U.N. buildings are honoring Kim Jong Il in this manner, too. Hillel Neuer, the executive director of the group, blasted the U.N. “We understand that the UN follows diplomatic protocol, but the world body must not forget that its founding purpose is to defend basic human rights, and sadly that message is at serious risk of being blurred today,” Neuer said in a statement. "Today should be a time for the UN to show solidarity with the victims -- the millions of North Koreans brutalized by Kim's merciless policies of starvation, torture and oppression -- and not with the perpetrator."

[AmericanInTokyo]

Bump

[AdmSmith]

The Gang of Eight

The two-day funeral service for Kim Jong Il began with a cortege which ran through the streets of Pyongyang on the afternoon of 28 December. A motorcade of German automobiles and military vehicles followed the hearse which ferried KJI’s casket through the streets in the center of the capital city. Accompanying the hearse and casket to the funeral service were Kim Jong Un, Jang Song Taek, Kim Ki Nam and Choe Tae Bok on one side and on the other were VMar Ri Yong Ho, VMar Kim Yong Chun, Gen. Kim Jong Gak and Gen. U Tong Chuk.

http://nkleadershipwatch.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/kji-funeral-program-begins/

Kim Jong Un,(01) 1983, 28 years, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong_Un

Jang Song Taek,(19), 65 years, 1946, Vice-Chairman of the National Defence Commission, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Song_Thaek

Kim Ki Nam, (08), 1926, 85 years, secretary WPK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ki_Nam

Choe Tae Bok, (09) 1926, 85 years, Chairman of the Supreme People's Assembly, friend of Jang Song Thaek, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choe_Thae-bok

VMar Ri Yong Ho (02), 1942, 69 years, Chief of General Staff of the KPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ri_Yong_Ho

VMar Kim Yong Chun (05), 1936, 75 years chief of the general staff of the Korean People's Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Yong-Chun

Gen. Kim Jong Gak (24), 1941, 70 years, member of the Politburo of the Workers’ Party of Korea and first vice-director of the General Political Bureau of the Korean People's Army. close friend of Thaek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-gak

Gen. U Tong Chuk (25),1942,69 years, department head of State Security Department, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_Tong-chuk

The number above in brackets is the number of the person in the list of the National funeral committee. http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201112/news19/20111219-06ee.html

The first twenty of persons in the list are here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2822160/posts?page=666#666 br /

[caww]

Interesting video..People given fish in honor of Kim...but the woman who spoke about Kim...you’d almost think they were tearful out of fear they wouldn’t get their words right...or tearful there was fish for food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENCC9IUU_cE

[caww]

Kim un meets former S. Korean First Lady...an unusual warm reception....wonder what he said to her..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2NNe0gvIE

[AmericanInTokyo]

Just think, “President-for-Life Barack Obama” in 2019 will be giving us fish this same way as well. Those not yet in camps, will be forced to cry in TV in appreciation. (After all, they started in on the kids in Santa Monica four years ago in that despicable Cult of Personality worship video.)

[AdmSmith]

Now surely it is time for China to accept that change is better brought forward—and managed. Even if North Korea collapses chaotically, the potential long-term benefits not just for North Koreans but also for their neighbours, including China, of a peninsula at peace with itself greatly outweigh the potential instability. Some in Beijing claim to see a reformist in the uncle-regent, Jang Song Taek. If so, they should encourage him.

China is much likelier to do this if South Korea and the United States work harder to minimise the dangerous consequences of collapse. The Americans and the South could do much to reassure China (and vice versa)—for instance, by co-operating to prevent the North’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons from falling into the wrong hands. And they could make it far clearer to the Chinese that once the peninsula is at peace there will be no need for American troops to stay.

The regrettable truth is that not just China but also America (fearful of another global crisis), South Korea (fearful of the costs of adopting a country that seems alien to many young Koreans) and Japan (fearful of a united Korea) have propped up a murderous regime. But the Kims cannot survive for ever. The sooner a dialogue begins about how to replace them, the better—not just for the stability of the region, but also for North Korea’s forgotten and downtrodden people.
http://www.economist.com/node/21542185