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Live Thread: Iowa GOP Presidential Debate 9 P.M. EST, 6 P.M. PST 12/15/11 Fox News Channel
Thursday, December 15, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/15/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by kristinn

The last debate before the January 3rd Iowa caucuses is being held tonight in Sioux City.

We get seven candidates at this debate: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman.

Fox's Bret Baier anchors the debate. Fox News panelists questioning the candidates: Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly and Neil Cavuto.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: anotheryawner; biasedfox; debate; elections; fox4backstabber; fox4loser; fox4romney; gopdebate; gopiowadebate; himagusnret; iowa; kristinnrocks; livegopiowadebate; megynkelley; ronpaulisaloon; ronpauliscrazy; souixcitydebate
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I don't know if you or anyone else caught this, but did you notice that Bachmann made a “Reagan” quote” at the end? Where she actually quoted George HW Bush's “America has spoken” line and said that it was Reagan that said it.

I missed it.

Let's see if she gets called on it

I agree, I doubt it also - they give leeway to airheads, flaky airheads.
1,741 posted on 12/16/2011 1:37:10 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: maine-iac7
Newt grew up as an ‘Army Brat’, his father (step father who adopted him) in the European Theater. Military personnel move, on average, every 3 years - he lived, fro ex: in France and in Germany.

Gingrich has taught at the United States Air Force’s Air University, for over two decades. He is the longest-serving teacher of the Joint Flag Officer Warfighting Course. He is an honorary Distinguished Visiting Scholar and Professor at the National Defense University and teaches officers from all of the defense services. Gingrich informally advised Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld on strategic issues, on issues including the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - so when he talks about “Palestinians” he knows what he’s talking about - Gingrich is also a guiding coalition member of the Project on National Security Reform.

He loves our military and is the only one that has mentioned the murderous, Taliban favoring ROE that our Usurper in chief put in that has resulted, the first year - 2009 - in DOUBLE our KIA’s from the previous worst year of the war. IN 2010, it tripled and this year, may top that.

That’s one of the first things he would do - kill those ROE. (As CIC, there’s probably not many officers that would not know him - a big plus.)

NO other candidate or any moderator picks up on it - I’ve an idea they don’t have a cle what ROE are, let alone what the current ones are.


There is absolutely no doubt about Newt's capabilities. I just had to repost your post to give it more shelf space. Of course, his challenge in this area would be to avoid mistakes one falls into by being too knowledgeable, crazy as that sounds.

I've never served, but relatives and ancestors have. When ignorant disrespect is shown I find it very troubling. Many people can't understand why people concerned with defense are so troubled by Obama. It's very troubling when military actions are grossly misled from the top. There is no greater disgrace, IMHO. If I had no faith in God I would be in a very great despair over the current administration - it's wrong on such a grand scale that, like 9/11, I don't think I'll ever stop shaking my head in disbelief once in a while.

While I prefer Michele on several domestic issues and any of these candidates would be a better CIC than Obama - even Ron Paul, when you think about it (if Congress declared War he might surprise us) - I certainly agree that Newt's resume in this area is superb.
1,742 posted on 12/16/2011 2:21:30 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: maine-iac7

Definitely save for later!


1,743 posted on 12/16/2011 2:42:42 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: SF_Redux

Wife pointed out she was wearing false eyelashes.

I pointed out that Mr Paul’s eyebrows appeared to be the same supposedly fake ones pointed out in previous debates.

OTOH, both eyebrows are so completely different, as to cause one to wonder why they would use them if fake, and totally black in contrast to the grey hair.

Probably not really important issues anyway. Just an observation.


1,744 posted on 12/16/2011 2:45:46 AM PST by wita
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To: TigersEye; TitansAFC; presently no screen name

A better question would be to ask you when Michele Bachmann attacked Mitt Romney last night. If it happened, I don’t recall it.

When has Bachmann attacked Romney in ANY of the debates with the vindictiveness she has used against Cain, Perry, Pawlenty, and now Gingrich?

This lady has had an insignificant house seat for 5 years and that qualifies her to be president????

When exactly would Newt Gingrich have been able to eliminate funding for PP? The truth is, TigersEye, Newt NEVER had a republican president and never had a republican Senate, so when exactly was he going to get PP funding eliminated during the era in which the nation was tilted more toward abortion than against it.


1,745 posted on 12/16/2011 2:50:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: kristinn
I'm watching the debate on DVR since I have insomnia and woke up at 3 AM.

Romney is such a BSer. I haven't seen anyone lie with a straight face like this since Bill Clinton!!!!!!!!

I almost threw up literally when he said, "I changed my mind". In regards to abortion. That's not something you just change your mind on Mitt!!!

1,746 posted on 12/16/2011 3:04:28 AM PST by Dengar01 (Dengar01 - "Heartless" since 1983!!!)
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To: isthisnickcool

Until Perry changes his positions concerning Islam and the muslim infilitration into our country I wouldn’t even consider voting for him, he has little understanding of the threat.....but I stand on what I believe, if he really wanted the Presidency he would have taken his “interviews” more seriously and come prepared for them. That’s just how he’s coming across IMO. Unprepared.


1,747 posted on 12/16/2011 3:12:06 AM PST by caww
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To: SamAdams76

Bachman is a real beauty.
It’s amazing tha anyone could still be that beautiful at 55.


1,748 posted on 12/16/2011 3:18:57 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: TigersEye
I would add though that if he is Big Tent enough to accept Republicans that support partial birth abortion then it must be acceptable to him.

We accept Muslims into America that support sharia law. That doesn't mean we support sharia or find it acceptable, only that sometimes you don't exclude people for odious positions they may have. The entire argument is false and dangerously shallow.

1,749 posted on 12/16/2011 3:26:04 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: make no mistake; All

I agree with Rush. All our candidate can but Paul can beat Obama
__________

Don’t be lulled into a false sense of security.
Remember 2008? The illegal overseas donations? The ACORN fraud? The voter fraud? The failure to vet, the lying and covering up for Obama by the MSM?
Expect it to be much worse this time.
The Communist coup that the left pulled off and has been wanting for years-
do you think they will let it disolve easily?

Obama has a billion dollars, the MSM in his back pocket.
This fight for the presidency will be the dirtiest in U.S
history.


1,750 posted on 12/16/2011 3:28:30 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: parksstp
Michele Bachmann is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, the most consistent conservative individual on the stage. It’s disgusting to watch what is happening to this woman.

She is a demogogue and a twister of facts. She told us the man who brought two parial-birth abortion bans to the House was a supporter of partial birth abortion because he refused to cut off funds to R candidates who weren't against the procedure. She is either a purposeful liar or too shallow to realize her tendency to form opinions based upon loosely associated groups of facts and has no business anywhere near the reins of power.

1,751 posted on 12/16/2011 3:33:03 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: All

I’ll say this; we do have a nice looking bunch of candidates- especially after having to look at the jug eared, purple lipped Obama.
No matter how you may feel about their politics, Perry, Romney and Huntsman are strikingly handsome and Michelle Bachman is a beauty.
Even Santorum is fairly attractive, and Paul can be an old cutie coot who is impossible to dislike despite his zany foreign policy views.


1,752 posted on 12/16/2011 3:38:09 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Art in Idaho

I loved it when Newt called Obama an Alinsky radical. Yeah, I think he’ll really take the gloves off and lay into Obama’s socialist/communist background, training, mentors, etc. America will have to choose: Socialism vs American Exceptionalism. It’s your call American voter.
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This is the most appealing thing about Newt.
I would SO like to see somebody dress down that Marxist/Muslim sob.


1,753 posted on 12/16/2011 3:40:10 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: EDINVA

I would have fixed that a long time ago! Either as the mom or the daughter.


1,754 posted on 12/16/2011 4:01:58 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: fightinJAG

Just heard on the radio news, MB quoted as saying, “I am a serious candidate.” Uh, if you feel the need to say that, something ain’t quite right.


1,755 posted on 12/16/2011 4:12:43 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: llandres

Pat apparently was on the netcast. It’s hard to believe he’s a Dem. His commentary would have fit right in here at FR.


1,756 posted on 12/16/2011 4:25:21 AM PST by CASchack
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To: parksstp

I’m sorry, but the majority of comments in this thread are just pure horsecr*p.

Michele Bachmann is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, the most consistent conservative individual on the stage. It’s disgusting to watch what is happening to this woman. Everything many here have b*tched about happening to Governor Palin, that is, being accused of being stupid, ignorant, crazy, shrill, is being heaped upon Bachmann, by so called “conservatives”.

The left and MSM have taught you people well to eat one of your own. Alfonzo Rachel of PJTV was spot on.

She DESTROYED Ron Paul tonight on Foreign Policy. Not that that is difficult to do, but did so effectively.

In regards to the “attacks” on Gingrich, get over it. Gingrich SAID he supports some type of program garnered towards making housing more affordable. That’s BIG GOVERNMENT. The GSE’s of Fannie/Freddie should be closed and Michele was right for pointing that out. And don’t give me this cr*p about Newt not being a lobbyist. You know d*mn well what he was doing and that contract was written specifically in the way it was to skirt around the lobbying rules. Nobody is kidding anyone here.

SECONDLY, in regards to the defunding of PP and partial-birth abortion issues, it’s no secret Newt is a “BIG TENT REPUBLICAN” (he has even said so). She called him out because he refused to stop supporting candidates that would not oppose these measures. Does Dede Scozzafava from last year ring a bell?

Face it. Some of you here don’t like Bachmann because her name doesn’t happen to be Sarah Palin. Well, I’m sorry. Bachmann decided to run. Palin did not. And right now, she’s fighting against a “good ole boys” club that wants to put her in her place.

The best moment for Bachmann, though, came when she finally stood up for herself and said that she had had enough of this cr*p with “not having her facts straight”. She d*mn well did. Get over it.

I KNOW in a debate against Obama, this woman would rip him a new one. Why? Because I know she is effective at attacking and defending her position. And she doesn’t have to worry about playing two sides of the issue like Newt and Romney try to do, because she is already on the right side.

SHAME ON YOU! Shame on all of you that continue to call this woman shrill, crazy eyes, and stupid. You are no better than the leftist MSM when you do that. It is YOU who are the true hypocrits when it comes to Reagan’s 11th. YOU only acknowledge that rule when it benefits YOU.

Keep polishing the turd that is Newt Gingrich if you want to, but as for me, I will continue to adhere to my conservative principles and support the candidate that I not only agree with, but with whom I also can trust. I stand with Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, who I know are a H*ll of a lot smarter and possess better judgement than most here. I challenge all of you Bachmann haters with your personal attacks on her as being stupid, crazy-eyed, shrill, insane, to call Rush and Mark and voice that on the open airwaves. Come on, I’m waiting, I’m sure they’d let you to the front of the phone lines. Because I know that if you said that cr*p about Bachmann to them that you spew here, you would be laughed off the air. Go ahead, call them, I dare you.

18 days to the Iowa Caucuses. I really hope these people get it right and actually let a conservative win.


So, not many disagree with you. However, reality has it there’s a small chance of her getting the nomination...if she does not, are you staying home and helping Obama or voting for the “R” no matter who it is?


1,757 posted on 12/16/2011 4:28:12 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: presently no screen name
MB to:
Cain - 666 - the devil is in the details
Perry - the vaccination brings metal retardation
Newt - anything she can twist.

I'd add Bachmann's insinuation that Perry can be bought for $5k, and the clumps of mud thrown at Newt include "on the take," "influence peddling," "scam" and "infanticide."

Bachmann is a dirty fighter. Looks like more and more people are noticing it with every debate.

1,758 posted on 12/16/2011 4:34:22 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: don-o

If you say it in response to some old dude who has a history of skirtchasing and cheating and is treating you like you should be getting him coffee instead of running for President, maybe it’s understandable.


1,759 posted on 12/16/2011 4:34:49 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Lady Lucky

We’re seeing why Bachman fights lots of things, but wins on nothing.


1,760 posted on 12/16/2011 4:36:32 AM PST by kjam22
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