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Handgun ownership surges in new groups (Women, gays, liberals and college kids)
Charlotte Observer ^ | Dec. 12, 2011 | Ken Wells

Posted on 12/12/2011 9:58:57 AM PST by Between the Lines

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To: joe fonebone
a small L libertarian is a strict constitutionalist

While I'm sure this is often true, I don't think it is necessarily so. A good many who call themselves libertarians consider even the system established by the US Constitution to be overly repressive of individual liberty.

At some point extremist libertarianism becomes a variant of anarchism.

41 posted on 12/12/2011 10:57:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: MHGinTN

Good retort! And great interpretation of Agenda 21.


42 posted on 12/12/2011 10:58:57 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: mamelukesabre

“I have often thought of building a buttstock for a break action single shot that has a built in “pez dispenser” like shell dispenser”

I think Rossi makes a gun like that. Simple single shot, polymer stock, with shell storage.

At least I think it was Rossi.


43 posted on 12/12/2011 10:59:21 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

The reason I used a velcro attaching system for a stgrip of shells is that the ammo and gun can be stored separately from curious little hands. The Rossi shotguns are very good quality, BTW. That;s what I used for my systems, too.


44 posted on 12/12/2011 11:02:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I’d like a thumbhole type stock on mine, with a trough running down the top of the stock where I can slide a fresh shell into the chamber.


45 posted on 12/12/2011 11:05:48 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Jack of all Trades

“Had a blast with a Ruger Mk II, was a little intimidated by the .357 mag, and wouldn’t touch the .45.”

Sounds exactly normal for a woman. :)

My wife would sooner shoot my 1911 than my 686 loaded w/ .357s though.

Women do seem to take well to .38 sp through a medium fame wheel gun though. What’s not to like? Enough bang to make them feel “gutsy”, but a mild enough “poot” to keep ‘em smilin’.

:)


46 posted on 12/12/2011 11:06:03 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: brownsfan

For home protection? 12 gauge pump-action shotgun, loaded and in the corner or behind the bedroom door. Nothing sends a chill down an intruder’s spine like the distinctive sound of a pump. And you don’t have to be particularly accurate - just point and shoot.


47 posted on 12/12/2011 11:06:13 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: joe fonebone
I was asking rhetorically, mainly.

We have libertarians here in Canada too (I certainly lean that way). We don't have your Constitution, so we wouldn't say that libertarians are constitutionalists.

48 posted on 12/12/2011 11:12:27 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

The S&W Bodyguard is a fine self-defense weapon for anyone but especially females. The Ruger LCP .380 is a little smaller and lighter if that’s a concern for her. I just bought a Ruger to carry in the Texas summer heat.

As a side note, many gun owners and clubs still have a political beef with S&W for their signing an agreement in 2000 with the Clinton Administration to avoid lawsuits. Check Wiki for the details. I have friends who will not buy a S&W even though the agreement ended with the sale of S&W to Saf-T-Hammer Corp.


49 posted on 12/12/2011 11:18:43 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pessimist

She’s talking about getting a permit, and buying a piece “for her purse”. Sweet.


50 posted on 12/12/2011 11:21:14 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Do you know how much spread there is to a 12 gage w/#8 shot or #4 shot at say forty feet down to twenty feet? Aiming is still required (for which lasers are an excellent addition). And as to the sound of racking a round, well, that only serves to alert an armed intruder.


51 posted on 12/12/2011 11:28:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Pessimist

Sounds like the poster would like a Saiga. And yes, Rossi makes a shorty with thumb-hole and four shell slots in the stock.


52 posted on 12/12/2011 11:31:02 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Between the Lines
"I'd never considered a gun," Natanel says. "...I didn't think anyone should have them."

A conservative is a former liberal that's been mugged.

In her case, an ex-lover broke into her house and scared her spitless.

Good for her, when you need protection now, the cops are at best, minutes away.

Since she's shooting twice a month, she not only likes to shoot, she is preparing in case her ex-lover, or any other whacko, takes a run at her.

Owning a gun that sits, unused, in a bedside drawer, with never having any shooting experience is almost more dangerous than having no gun.

Since I've been shooting for over 60 years, I'm probably not qualified to get into that discussion, but training and usage is very important both physically and mentally.

53 posted on 12/12/2011 11:32:35 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: MHGinTN

That’s rather ingenious, FRiend.


54 posted on 12/12/2011 11:34:49 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“For home protection? 12 gauge pump-action shotgun, loaded and in the corner or behind the bedroom door. Nothing sends a chill down an intruder’s spine like the distinctive sound of a pump. And you don’t have to be particularly accurate - just point and shoot.”

The sound of racking the slide alerts the perp to your location and the fact that you are aware of his presence. At close range the pellets are in a tight bunch, so you still need to aim. A red dot sight would help with speed and accuracy. I recommend a Mossberg 930 SPX.


55 posted on 12/12/2011 11:38:14 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: tickedoffnow

Liberals, when the law thwarts what they want to do, think that they are entitled to be exempt from laws they’d impose on everyone else.

This is part of their elitism.


56 posted on 12/12/2011 11:39:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MHGinTN

Acknowledged. Yeah, it’s an alert ... to get the hell out. I won’t dispute your points though.


57 posted on 12/12/2011 11:42:32 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: MHGinTN

Acknowledged. Yeah, it’s an alert ... to get the hell out. I won’t dispute your points though.


58 posted on 12/12/2011 11:43:08 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
And you don’t have to be particularly accurate - just point and shoot.

I keep seeing this repeated over and over again, and it doesn't square with my experience. I was surprised at just how small a pattern my cylinder bore (no choke) 12 gauge produced with buckshot. For home defense we're talking very short distances and the shot just does not spread out that quickly. And even if it did, the pattern density would be low with only a few pellets producing wounds.

"Don't have to aim a shotgun" is wrong, and may get the wrong person killed. A home defense shotgun needs sights and the owner needs to practice using them.

59 posted on 12/12/2011 11:45:08 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SVTCobra03
The sound of racking the slide alerts the perp to your location and the fact that you are aware of his presence.

Yes, it does. And unless you're dealing with a tweeker or someone intent on killing you rather than just robbing you, alerting them is enough to send them quickly on their way.

I keep a Glock G19 9mm loaded next to my bed with an extra clip at the ready. I don't bother with a shotgun.

60 posted on 12/12/2011 11:49:45 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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