Posted on 12/12/2011 4:48:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
After the November 22 Republican debate in Washington, D.C., many conservatives took issue with Newt Gingrich's proposal to establish a system of local boards of review to assess the cases of illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for twenty-five years. While his opponents on stage chose to focus on concerns that the plan would entrench a powerful new "magnet" for illegal aliens, others isolated the strangest aspect of Gingrich's proposal, which was his explicit description of such long-established illegal immigrants as "law-abiding citizens." How, people reasonably asked, can an illegal alien who has never been granted U.S. citizenship be called a "citizen" at all, let alone a "law-abiding" one?
Some of us shied away from putting too much emphasis on this odd phraseology. In my own case, I considered that "law-abiding citizen" is a hackneyed expression, and hence the kind of term that a candidate might carelessly toss off in the heat of a debate, particularly when he is coming under fire for his position, and is attempting to defend himself on the spur of the moment. In the context of a debate about illegal immigration, paths to citizenship, and the like, it was a poorly chosen phrase, indeed. Nevertheless, as I have devoted some energy to debunking the myth of Gingrich as a great debater who would mop the floor with Obama in a one-on-one confrontation, it was not at all surprising to me that the candidate most inclined to present himself (and, presumably, to see himself) as a great rhetorician would be the one most likely to produce the most absurd logical gaffes.
Suddenly, however, in the wake of the December 10 debate in Iowa, it is no longer feasible or reasonable to hold our fire on Gingrich's peculiar use of the notion of citizenship.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Amnesty for illegals ain't going anywhere so this hit on Newt is moot.
If you support amnesty, Newt is your man. The final bill, the grand bargain negotiated between Senate’s Acorn caucus and Newt will be great.
Once we have changed the electrorate, we can ignore those radical rightwingers and social engineers.
He means that the clowns insisting on rounding up and deporting 15 million illegals are unserious about finding a workable solution.
NO!
I will not engage in a circular debate that brings us back to this same point.
To call the author an American thinker is to redefine the word “thinker”.
This piece pedantic. The author does not agree with Newt. But this piece pretends its more than that.
To call the author an American thinker is to redefine the word “thinker”.
This piece pedantic. The author does not agree with Newt. But this piece pretends its more than that.
We'd better, if Noot is elected.
A law abiding illegal alien is an oxymoron.
I think we need to examine this whole “law abiding” issu also. Is it possible for an illegal for an illegal to live here and be law abiding?
Their 1st illegal entry carries little weight or consequence. Their 2nd is damned serious in the eyes of the law. Can they have lived here 25 years and not have perpetrated identity fraud or theft?
Imagine a race of people who do not speak English, have no skills but physical labor and are encouraged by their own countrymen (for a small fee) to ‘follow me’ and I will show you a land of opportunity.
You must travel a long distance in sub-human conditions - will face starvation, dehydration, armed patrols and razor sharp barriers. If you survive - your housing, clothing and wages will be subsistence and you may be arrested as an invader.
By living quiety in the shadows and working hard for your new owner, this will become a paradise. The laws of this new land are supple and it will even be possible to acquire help from the government in the form of medical care, food and education for any children you have.
Imagine that.
I guess hacks think illegal is the norm because so many invest in it.
A vote is a vote no matter if it’s above the law.
“We will have a Tea Party congress no matter WHO the president is.”
I’m not so optimistic.
McCain’s failed campaign resulted in republican losses in the house and senate.
I just don’t see Newt doing much better than McCain.
And do Daren Jonescu and SeekAndFind have a candidate that they are supporting?
Deja vu all over again. Bush compassionate conservatism. Romney, Perry not any better. Yuck! Screwed again!!
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Wrong, the first argument, look they voted for newt they must support amnesty. If amnesty is not the third rail, congress will pass it.
Gingrich is not trustworthy on immigration issues. Period.
And immigration is killing us.
Good....anybody around here truly believe that any one of us We the People CITIZENS who say, just happened to have forgotten to file our tax returns, for a few years, but otherwise are “completely law-abiding” ...would be treated equally as these NON-CITIZENS here illegally?
It’s really quite simple. All you do is ask the illegal how long they have been here and I’m sure they will tell you the truth. (sarc) This statement by Newt shows just how full of nothing he is. The Republican Party is done if they nominate him.
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