We are fast approaching the point where we have neither liberty nor security.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/06/conservatives-drop-their-love-for-the-co
The constitution is not a suicide document.
The pollies like power and the illusion of knowing better than we do what’s best for us.
Too many of the people don’t want the responsibility of freedom.
We need God to raise up a prophet. We’re in trouble.
My guess, soon the only true Constitution-loving conservatives will be practicing Christians. Why? Because sooner or later, it comes down to either trusting man (government) or God (government-limiting Constitution).
It makes too much sense to declare that the whole reason for this is that the Feds have imported lots of Mohammedans into this country, that if they were exported 99.8% of the threat would be gone, and then there would be no need to impose Big Brother restrictions on U.S. citizens our founders would never have tolerated (”Patriot Act”, strip searches of grandmothers at airports, warrantless wiretaps, etc. etc.)
Because it makes too much sense, the Republicrats will never do it. So expect more of the same.
What piece of garbage article. Belongs in file 13.
Apparently it’s only torture when the other side does it.
Well duh, war crimes are only committed by the losing side. It’s always been thus.
constitution bump for later..........
Any person that thinks waterboarding is a war crime is not worth listening to.
Well, A.Barton Hincle, I know what the A stands for.
wouldn’t ususally waste time on this. but it is sad to see writing that screams of a person who can neither properly read or reason, holding forth on the genius of our founders.
where this person’s misunderstanding (giving the benefit of the doubt) is rooted includes failures to understand what a battlefield is, what a commander is, and what our founders defined as the separation of a hierachy of derived and implied powers is in the constitution (as established by our founders).
the problem is partially the statist smokescreen and the living and breathing standards wickedly applied by statists bent on the constitution’s destruction. perhaps a course in logic and a careful rereading is in order for this writer.
This guy who is upset at Muslim terrorists being held for the duration who may be technically citizens (born in the US but not loyal to it) probably thinks it was fine for Lincoln to imprison US citizens for the duration for defending their homes. (Of course the men Lincoln imprisoned did not regard themselves as citizens of the United States—but he did.)
Oh the truth. And here we are following the sames cycle as always in the election process as well. Conservatives start out with “I’ll Never vote for him”. But in the end they are attacking anyone who won’t. It is so predictable that I even told friends it would happen, and it did. And it will get much worse. The same cycle of human ignorance and stupidity that I have watched over and over these past 13 years.
There is the old saying about fooling me once....Twice....But you could fool most (so called) conservatives a thousand times it seems, and they still would not catch on. Human nature itself has rendered me with a feeling of hopelessness for the future. The brilliant people of the past no longer exist.
Actually, it's only a violation of the Geneva Conventions when done to an enemy who has agreed to abide by them himself, which doesn't include a terrorist head honcho and unlawful enemy combatant who has information about possible future terrorist attacks.
Reason has lost all semblance of rationality.
At least 3-4 thousand men of the US Military have been subjected to Waterboarding by other members of the US Military in training.
Including myself, (thus the tag after my name).
It's not torture, it's training for those who must kill and hope not to be caught.
Hmmm... Since that's the choice, I'm with you - - give me liberty and to hell with "security".
Those terrorists who are allowed to roam free and get public defenders and Miranda rights, etc. will likely unleash most of their terror in the nation's concentrated Democrat parasite nests ("cities"), so cares anyway?
FRegards,
LH
“Apparently it’s only torture when the other side does it.”
What other side? The Navy Seals are waterboarded as part of their training.
“Yet another provision would require civilian authorities to hand over terrorism suspects to the military.”
What, is this more of that “that’s not who we are” crap? Because civilian court system is not suitable for trying enemy combatants. That’s why they have been tried in military courts since the American Revolution. The KSM trial is still in limbo because Holder did what A. Barton Hinkle wants him to do and set up a civilian trial. Not only that, he added to the mess by promising a conviction. His case probably will be will be laughed out of court if it ever does come to trial.
Conservatives never lost their love for the Constitution
there are just fewer conservatives
Ronulans should learn the difference