Posted on 12/04/2011 7:50:15 PM PST by Notwithstanding
The Gingrich campaign contacted me directly last night about the comments that he made to ABC News. The campaign sent me the following statement from Newt Gingrich. (Which is also on their website).
I am very glad that the Gingrich campaign was quick to respond to the fallout from the ABC News interview and that they came out with a strong pro-life statement which reaffirms the scientific fact that life begins at conception....
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicvote.org ...
For a person to lay down his or her life in defense of another is considered the highest form of love, according to the New Testament.
When this happens in wartime, the person who does it is often awarded the Posthumous Medal of Honor.
Nobody is born with that kind of grace or courage, as Survival is one of our primary instincts.
St. Gianna sacrificed her life because she had that special grace and courage from the Lord.
Would she still be a saint if she died as a result of a federal law requiring her to deliver a healthy child even if it meant her death?
I am Pro-Life and I believe that life begins at conception. Abortion is killing a human being, absolutely.
But to expect all Americans to accept Medal of Honor or Canonized Saint standards with regard to a deadly entropic pregnancy is a wee bit over the top.
You are correct. The Catholic Church has not changed in this regard, and I applaud them for it. It would be very sad if they caved to secular pressure to accept what to the Church is unacceptable.
But not everybody in the USA is a Catholic. So One has to make laws based on medical knowledge, which shows that “LIFE” begins at Conception, and there is a beating heart very soon thereafter. Based on that, Abortion is the deliberate killing of a human being. That alone is enough basis for its ban, without splitting hairs. The types of pregnancies that end up in abortion are usually for the CONVENIENCE of the mother, rather than the LIFE of the mother. It is a VERY TINY percentage that are to save the mother’s life, and its introduction into the argument only makes it more difficult to convince people that Roe Vs Wade is WRONG and should be repealed.
I respect your views, but they can’t be the Law of the Land.
I am talking about your dead 25 year old relative. Would you let them harvest organs or not?
How is that different than a dead human just hours old after conception?
An unimplanted zygote is dead. It is not going anyplace.
Wm, there is a HUGE difference between an implanted zygote and an unimplanted zygote. One has a future and the future for the other has stopped as of the moment in time that the implantation did not occur. It’s life is over.
How is donating that organ different than donating a kidney for the dead 25 year old?
I am talking about your dead 25 year old relative. Would you let them harvest organs or not?
How is that different than a dead human just hours old after conception?
An unimplanted zygote is dead. It is not going anyplace.
Wm, there is a HUGE difference between an implanted zygote and an unimplanted zygote. One has a future and the future for the other has stopped as of the moment in time that the implantation did not occur. It’s life is over.
How is donating that organ different than donating a kidney for the dead 25 year old?
Perhaps, but your individual life began at a moment of union between gametes which shared 23 chromosomes each to combine into your unique DNA identity. ... Unless you are a clone of an older model human.
good one
No, it's not dead until it's dead. You know, when cellular function stops and it can no longer implant.
A zygote doesn't transition from death to life at implantation. Unless you are claiming that implantation is really abiogenesis in action?
I love that story. I believe humans have a soul at conception but since all my knowledge about aneuploidy in human embryos, I’ve wondered if He in His wisdom knows which embryos at conception will grow and only those have souls? It’s just my lowly mortal wonderment. Gd knows best and we must believe in eachand every embryo because we don’t know which are which.
To be more accurate, your analogy would have to include birthing the 25 year old for the sole purpose of having a source of organs in the future. The analogy cannot be applied without clarification to in vitro derived embryonic individuals and therefore breaks down if you are trying to refer to unknown embryos passed from the feamle body without or soon after implantation.
I don’t think we disagree.
Gianna refused treatment that might save her life but that might harm her unborn child. I do NOT and did NOT advocate all people be required to do the same. I think that it is moral for such a woman to take the treatment. I do not favor banning such treatment.
Gianna’s situation had nothing to with abortion. It did not involve directly killing anyone. It involved her refusal to receive therapy because the therapy might harm her unborn child.
Of course abortion is NEVER therapy because true therapy HEALS and never harms.
Unlike Giana’s situation, direct abortion - intentionally killing the child - supposedly to prevent the mother’s death is always evil and I do think it should be outlawed. It is intentional killing of one to save another - that is ALWAYS evil. It is evil whether you are Catholic or atheist. And the law should ban it. It is always bad public policy to allow the killing of one innocent person for the benefit of another innocent person.
Blah blah blah. Never any critical defense of Newt using facts and figures. Just bizarre non sequitors and the silly graphic. I fight RINO’s and phonies wherever I see them. That is Newt and Mittens right now. Feel free to promote that weak ideology, I will pass.
Oh my, I do come equipped with a holy reverence for human embryos. More than most. When the average person thinks about chromosome differences / problems in an embryo, they think Down Syndrome or such.
Actually, Down Syndrome is an aneuploidy that is very mild indeed, and one that doesn’t stop all growth. Most of those embryos make it to birth. The great majority of aneuploidies or chromosomal problems do not allow the embryo to progress more than a few hours, days, or weeks, and certainly not into the 2nd trimester. It’s not dehumanizing embryos to know the truth about them, that most of them do not make it to human.
Since we lowly servants of Gd know not which are which, we must revere their potential. Period.
But does He provide souls to each embryo? Probably? I am too simple to know. Gd knows which embryos will make it to tomorrow, next week, until the 5th week, and until age 85. I will give The Almighty the benefit of the doubt. But it’s an interesting question.
And perhaps our future laws protecting the unborn will need to use this science somehow, so that no innocent people go to jail for miscarriages. I don’t know.
Speaking about “Laws of the Land,” it would be very interesting to look at the rate of decrease of authentic bipartisanship in our government....beginning with the passage of Roe v Wade.
VERY interesting indeed...
I become more and more convinced that many of God’s graces and protections on this nation were removed with the passage of that law.
Human life begins at conception. Primitive sentience occurs several weeks later when nerves develop enough for pain response. Full "sentience" is several months later though for some human low lifes (Democrats) I doubt they ever become fully sentient.
No, I would not have to birth the 25 year old for that sole purpose.
Approximately 80% of all zygotes go unimplanted. They are life because they are fertilized zygotes, correct?
Therefore, they are the children of that couple. Is it any different donating the organs of one of your children versus donating the organs of another of your children?
“...so that no innocent people go to jail for miscarriages...”
NO one could ever go to jail for a miscarriage. The woman who miscarries has NO control whatever for that. Sometimes it can be the result of an infection or a problem with the cervix, etc.
WHY would you think that anyone would be jailed for something out of her control?????
I am not claiming anything of the sort.
I am simply pointing out the fact that the continuation of life as an entire being STOPS at the moment implantation does not occur.
I am also pointing out that your heart can stop beating and you be declared dead, but that the cells in some of your organs are still viable and living and can be transplanted to others.
Reported by About.com, Friday (10/29/2010) The following organs and human tissues that can be donated after death:
Organ:
1. Eye
2. Kidney
3. Lungs
4. Heart
5. Heart
6. Pancreas
Network:
1. Bone
2. Heart valve
3. Skin
Folks the truth is out there, vet this candidate...he is more scary than Romney.
The key is the type of treatment.
If the treatment is to remove the infected Fallopian Tube and a secondary effect is the death of the unborn child the treatment is ethical.
An abortion or treatment that directly targets the baby is never ethical.
I see the correlation as well.
The last forty years have been devastating.
And the number of people killed rivals that of Hitler or Stalin.
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