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To: GourmetDan

I am not claiming anything of the sort.

I am simply pointing out the fact that the continuation of life as an entire being STOPS at the moment implantation does not occur.

I am also pointing out that your heart can stop beating and you be declared dead, but that the cells in some of your organs are still viable and living and can be transplanted to others.

Reported by About.com, Friday (10/29/2010) The following organs and human tissues that can be donated after death:

Organ:
1. Eye
2. Kidney
3. Lungs
4. Heart
5. Heart
6. Pancreas

Network:
1. Bone
2. Heart valve
3. Skin


157 posted on 12/05/2011 9:32:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

There is a sort of conflating here, between the miscarried embryos and the embryos conceived in a petri dish. I don’t seek an argument with you, but I cannot accept an analogy which is fashioned upon a conflating such as that. Stem cells are not now derievd from miscarried embryos. As far as I know, there is zero ‘harvesting’ of miscarried embryos. ALL harvesting is being done upon in vitro fertilization derived embryos ... well, except for the cloning experiments underway.


163 posted on 12/05/2011 9:48:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: xzins
"I am simply pointing out the fact that the continuation of life as an entire being STOPS at the moment implantation does not occur."

No, it stops at the moment of death. You can't measure when a zygote won't implant until it is dead (cellular function has ceased). Zygotes are 'un-implanted' before they would implant (and are therefore alive) as well as after they are dead and you can't know when that happens. Declaring an un-implanted zygote as dead leaves the door open for killing pre-implanted zygotes by allowing them to be defined as dead simply because they are 'un-implanted'. That's the wrong path to be on, IMO.

"I am also pointing out that your heart can stop beating and you be declared dead, but that the cells in some of your organs are still viable and living and can be transplanted to others."

Unfortunately not applicable to a zygote. It's either alive or it's dead and that is based on the internal cellular function within the zygote, not on whether it has implanted or not. You already admitted that a pre-implanted zygote is alive. Well, a pre-implanted zygote is 'un-implanted' and would be considered dead using your definition.

You certainly seem determined to sacrifice zygotes that you define as dead. What's up with that?

165 posted on 12/05/2011 10:09:13 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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