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To: Steelfish
"because my mom told me there's discrimination against Asians in the application process."

Well, I hope so. How else is an 18-yr-old kid from Billings who has decided to major in math, say, going to compete academically against a Chinese ringer; i.e., a 30-yr-old math professor from China?

Saw it with my own eyes. Couldn't believe it.

How do I know they were math professors? Because they freely admitted it. They had no shame about it. Corruption and cheating is the norm in China. They knew the material as well or better than the professors at the American university where I went to graduate school.

I once had three or four of them in the same small graduate math class with me. It was very discouraging and us native-born American students were definitely at a huge disadvantage. I dropped that course right away so I wouldn't have to compete against them. Screw that noise.

22 posted on 12/03/2011 3:20:06 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Well, I hope so. How else is an 18-yr-old kid from Billings who has decided to major in math, say, going to compete academically against a Chinese ringer; i.e., a 30-yr-old math professor from China?

30-year old math professors are competing for undergrad spots in US universities? Sure they are.

29 posted on 12/03/2011 3:26:39 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: LibWhacker

When I meet someone who’s a hundred times better at a subject than me, I look to them as inspiration. That you got discouraged and dropped the course so you “wouldn’t have to compete against them” speaks a lot about you.


33 posted on 12/03/2011 3:32:20 PM PST by Cruising For Freedom
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To: LibWhacker

>>How else is an 18-yr-old kid from Billings who has decided to major in math, say, going to compete academically against a Chinese ringer; i.e., a 30-yr-old math professor from China?<<

Boo hoo. Math isn’t graded on a curve. I have 30+ years IT experience and am thinking about going back and getting a graduate degree. I am qualified to TEACH most of the courses I will be taking. Is this unfair?


41 posted on 12/03/2011 3:37:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: LibWhacker
Math, like running longdistance, is one of those things that develops to its greatest degree between 28 and 32 years of age. After that you're just an ordinary drudge condemned to teach.

I suspect the Chinese students you met were actually 'teachers" there to develop their knowledge base for teaching, not for "research".

I took a history course once called "The French Revolution". It's the sort of thing you can do in a two week summer session at any large university (with summer sessions).

It turned out that everybody but me was a teacher in European History at the highschool level.

The course was a nightmare ~ I literally could not keep up unless I memorized the text book, so that's what I did. Sometimes the words come back to haunt me in the middle of the night and the screams begin again!!!

67 posted on 12/03/2011 4:31:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: LibWhacker

Cornell had a deal with PRep China when I was there -early ‘80s.

Competing against Chinese Army soldiers whose parents livelihood and home is based ontheir performance in school.

Yeah - pretty normal competition.

Asians are NOMINALLY discriminated against - by a few points, compared with whites in the modern world. That is why the author uses weasel words “hundreds of points when compared with others” - yeah - blacks. 10 points vs whites - 210 points vs blacks.

I like poor little missy - she is in at Harvard - for what? 2150 SAT? That is a pretty average score for a smart kid. I could do that tomorrow - and could pop it back in the day - and wouldn’t have been in at Harvard.


78 posted on 12/03/2011 4:53:13 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell
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To: LibWhacker
You have to compete with them in the real world - assuming they are staying here. If they are going home, what difference does it make?

When I was in college, some students would drop the class because I was in it raising the curve. I am not bragging. I went to college to get an education - it was expensive - I wanted all I could get for my money. I did not care what anyone else wanted for their money.

83 posted on 12/03/2011 4:59:47 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Rights begin where power ends!)
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To: LibWhacker
Why would a 30 year-old math professor from China apply to an undergraduate university math department in the US? What would he have to gain?
124 posted on 12/03/2011 7:33:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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