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1 posted on 12/02/2011 9:51:27 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
"human life begins at implantation rather than conception, which science has established as the starting point for human life."

Science has established no such thing. And while I don't necessarily disagree with conception as being the beginning of life the question is metaphysical not empirical.

2 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:54 AM PST by circlecity
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To: BarnacleCenturion
He is actually, intellectually correct. Without the implantation of the zygote into the uterine wall, there is no pregnancy.

It is a distinction without a difference when applied to abortion. It becomes important in genetic research. The moral issue is convoluted with this fact.

3 posted on 12/02/2011 10:02:38 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Conception is the beginning of life. Two cells join together and the cell begins its work of creating a baby.I'm not an embryologist,biologist or any other kind of 'ist',but i've watched enough documentaries to see what happens when a sperm cell and egg merge.All kinds of activity-the spark of life-is ignited.
Until the cells merge,they're just male and female cells waiting to get together.
On the issue of stem cell research,why isn't Newt (or any other candidate) pushing the adult stem cell approach to research and just steer the conversation away from embryonic stem cells?
5 posted on 12/02/2011 10:08:06 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

At least the question is not above Newt’s pay grade. Life begins when Newt says it begins, dammit.


8 posted on 12/02/2011 10:13:02 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The cornerstone self-evident truth of the matter is contained in our nation's charter, the Declaration of Independence. Life begins at its creation. Period.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

There is no moral difference between blocking the already-created human being from implanting in the uterus and locking a five year-old boy or girl out of the house with no clothes on in subzero weather, or locking Grandma in a closet without food and water until she's dead.

Barbarism, with an academic-sounding gloss. That's what Gingrich is pushing.

19 posted on 12/02/2011 10:42:34 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Newt Gingrich: The go-to guy for a party that is determined to waste yet another decade.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; All

Twist this - on Newt

“98.6% Lifetime Pro-Life Rating from the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC). For the 20 years that Gingrich served in Congress (1979-1999), Gingrich supported the pro-life position in 70 out of 71 votes...

Pledges to Sign Two Pro-life Executive Orders on the first day of a Gingrich Administration.”

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2011/11/newt-gingrichs-consistent-pro-life-record.html


29 posted on 12/02/2011 11:19:04 AM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

There is a distinction, but it’s not important politically. There is no legislation on the table, nor any that is likely to be proposed, where Newt would be likely to vote against the side of life, whether he thinks it begins at conception or implantation.

Before someone “goes there”, there is NOT going to be a full-scale ban on birth control (nor any serious proposal of one) that prevents implantation any time soon, so Newt’s view on this is irrelevant at this time.


33 posted on 12/02/2011 11:37:23 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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Gingrich said human life begins at implantation rather than conception,...

I am assuming that he believe harvesting embryonic stem cells would be fine. In fact why not take any unused fertilized eggs in storage at fertility clinics and donate them to science. How about private businesses buying sperm and eggs and making their own production of embryonic stem cells. The beginnings of a "Brave New World".

Is his position really a Pro-Life position?

38 posted on 12/02/2011 12:01:04 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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Gingrich said. “My friends who have ideological positions that sound good don’t then follow through the logic of: ‘So how many additional potential lives are they talking about? What are they going to do as a practical matter to make this real?”"

Um, Snowflake adoptions?

43 posted on 12/02/2011 12:24:48 PM PST by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The unique human life of each person begins at their conception, and that is the point at which each person first has a father and a mother.
45 posted on 12/02/2011 12:31:18 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Looks like Newt is a Catholic in name only.

If he doesn’t correct his position on this, he has lost me.


58 posted on 12/02/2011 1:39:00 PM PST by Palladin (Herman delivered the pepperoni.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
In a new interview with Jake Tapper of ABC News, Gingrich said human life begins at implantation rather than conception, which science has established as the starting point for human life.

That's inaccurate. Science cannot define a starting point for human life. That's because the egg and sperm are both alive. Fertilization occurs when the membranes fuse; after that is a process of moving the chromosomes into the nucleus so that the ovum has a full set of 46 chromosomes. The little zygote won't implant into the uterus until almost a week later, but cells are dividing and it is quite actively developing during the time leading up to implantation. It is most certainly alive during this whole process.

There is no point at which the ovum, sperm, or zygote are devoid of, and then reacquire, life. If they become devoid of life, they remain dead.

78 posted on 12/04/2011 5:02:33 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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