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Texas students refusal to say Mexican pledge, national anthem starts controversy
KHOU ^ | Nov 22 | Brad Watson

Posted on 11/27/2011 6:19:24 PM PST by GeronL

RIO GRANDE VALLEY, Texas - Every day students in Texas public schools pledge allegiance to the flags of the United States and Texas.

But when a teacher in a Rio Grande Valley high school assigned students to stand and pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag and sing Mexico's national anthem, one student refused.

The resulting controversy has one East Texas lawmaker wanting changes in the state's curriculum on how culture and patriotism are taught in schools.

15-year-old Brenda Brinsdon entered her sophomore year at McAllen ISD's Achieve Early College High School just wanting to do well in her classes.

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To: Sola Veritas

The African-American VOTE has been rightly analyzed as paralyzed, thus the LSM effort to get the Latino vote all riled up for zero.

It will fail, as well.


21 posted on 11/27/2011 6:51:19 PM PST by txhurl
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To: xkaydet65

Les Marseillese = a French revolutionary song and the French national anthem.

It is not the French Pledge of Allegiance.

What do you think would happen in Mexico if a teacher had the Mexican students recite the U.S. pledge of allegiance?


22 posted on 11/27/2011 6:52:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: trumandogz

Yes, God forbid you pledge allegiance to your own Country.
(sarcasm)


23 posted on 11/27/2011 6:55:39 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL
"I do have a problem if we're making that the assignment for young people to stand up and pledge to another country," Flynn said. "It lessens the value of the pledge to the United States flag."

The real problem is that any pledge means essentially nothing in this country any more.

Honor has been devalued by the popular culture in this country and the West generally.

If you talk about personal honor to people today they look at you like you are an escapee from a mental institution.

Every year I read somewhere that cheating is rampant in high schools and colleges. There is an industry in every college town for term papers written for profit.

Just note that there is nothing in the article about anyone else in the class joining her in refusing to pledge to a foreign flag. That is most likely because her classmates do not place any importance on a pledge of allegiance or the flag of their country.

Public education has so ingrained multi-culturalism in the public mind and anti-Americanism in to the teaching of history it should surprise no one that pledging allegiance to a foreign flag or statue of the Buddha would be meaningless to a high school student.

24 posted on 11/27/2011 7:01:22 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Shadowstrike

The operative word in that sentence was “Forced.”

And yes, I am opposed to forcing students to recite a pledge to their country all while we want to teach them about all the freedoms we have in the USA.


25 posted on 11/27/2011 7:03:02 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: Shadowstrike

SCOTUS, circa WWII:
“We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control.

We set up government by consent of the governed, and the Bill of Rights denies those in power any legal opportunity to coerce that consent. Authority here is to be controlled by public opinion, not public opinion by authority.”


26 posted on 11/27/2011 7:04:53 PM PST by tumblindice (Whole lotta stutterin' goin' on)
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To: muawiyah; Sola Veritas

They can teach a language without trying to draft the student into changing their nation/religion. A North Texas city was all set to mandate Arabic courses that would have kids dress as Islamics and take Islamic names and recite the Koran. Paid for by the feds of course.

Its disgusting.


27 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:08 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Pontiac

Hear! Hear! Couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve been hammered more than once at work for daring to ask if what someone was suggesting was appropriate. In most cases they just want everyone to not say anything - so then they can claim that everyone agreed. It pains people to no end when someone does stand up then they have no option, but to say “hmm, yeah I guess you could look at it that way...well any other ideas?” Of course the one who objects is expected to solve the issue at that point and takes ownership - so your damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If I have no better options at hand, I normally suggest the most reasonable approach which is typically costly and already considered and cast aside. But I refuse to be party to immoral and dishonorable actions if I have a say in the matter....and yeah it’s likely cost me some promotions and such...


28 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:27 PM PST by reed13
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To: trumandogz

And yet, our children are “forced” to see, say, and learn things everyday.

It was always an honor to be an American, now people are “forced”?

By saying the pledge, you honor every man,woman and child who died to make our Country great.


29 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:40 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: tumblindice
"Authority here is to be controlled by public opinion, not public opinion by authority.”

Sadly, I don't reall think that is true anymore. I want to be very clear here, I am not saying put a gun to anyones head to say the Pledge, but I believe the Country has suffered greatly by not saying the Pledge. We have allowed everyone else to be more important (feelings) wise than ourselves.

First, it was praying in scholl because it might "offend" someone, then a hundred little paper cuts later, we might "offend" someone with the Pledge.

Where does it stop? When we have "faired" ourselves into non-existence? If you cannot give your loyalty to your nation, under God, who can you give it to?

30 posted on 11/27/2011 7:16:54 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

“By saying the pledge {sic}, you honor every man,woman and child who died to make our Country {sic} great.”

It is a bit ironic to teach kids how much freedom that have in America and then tell them they have no choice but to say the Pledge.

However, there have been other nations in the not so distant past which did force children to pledge their allegiance to the state.


31 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:15 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: tumblindice

scholl = school.

Sorry the lightbulb blew out and I was typing in the dark.


32 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:40 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL; a fool in paradise

For an agreed upon price I’d say the pledge to the Principality of Monaco!


33 posted on 11/27/2011 7:20:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: trumandogz

No, it is not ironic to have children honor what they have.

What is ironic is just how many people think they shouldn’t.


34 posted on 11/27/2011 7:23:35 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL
Here is Reyna Santos...the "teacher"



more info @ Teacher Indoctrinating Kids with Seditionist Propaganda

She needs to cut-back on the frijoles...
35 posted on 11/27/2011 7:33:54 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Shadowstrike

How much force would you like to use in order to compel children to recite the Pledge?


36 posted on 11/27/2011 7:42:29 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: GeronL
I don't know when the song refers to “enemy outlanders” do the Americans have to raise their hand and say here.
37 posted on 11/27/2011 7:42:45 PM PST by dog breath
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To: Tainan
There's this place in Oceanside CA where they serve burritos that are a good 19 inches long (half a meter) and with a comparable circumferance.

You can go in there any time and they're playing Mexican soccer.

You'd think the drive from Texas would be too much, but obviously Reyna has been making that trip at least once a week. Next time I'm out there I'll watch for her (and see if she can still squeeze in the door!)

38 posted on 11/27/2011 7:44:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dog breath

lol.

si!


39 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tainan

Real tortillas are chock full of lard. Gets ‘em every time.


40 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:50 PM PST by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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