Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
WASHINGTON — Newt Gingrich isn’t backing off his “humane” immigration stance despite complaints from Republican hardliners and fellow Presidential hopefuls — he’s embellishing it.
The former House speaker issued “10 Steps to a Legal Nation” this week, expanding on his remarks during Tuesday’s GOP debate
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Those guilty only of sneaking into the U.S. would have a path “to legality, but not citizenship” similar to the existing naturalization process, plus a penalty fee of at least $5,000.
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So don’t wait for her. No one else is.
So don’t wait for her. No one else is.
So don’t wait for her. No one else is.
The topic of Cain’s comment was abortion, and not raising kids.
He said that in the heat of the moment families could choose to do the illegal.
It is not likely that choosing to have mom raise their kids is illegal. Therefore, it was about abortion that he was speaking. That is what Michelle Bachmann thought he was speaking of. The same with Rick Santorum. Given that one is a congresswoman and the other a senator, it is not likely that they are ignorant people....partisan maybe, but not ignorant.
Cain had just finished making serious remarks about families needing to make their own choices in these matters...pro-choice.
It all boils down to me not trusting his pro-life position, and to my advising others not to trust his pro-life position.
And he is lost when it comes to foreign policy.
Cain's comments were about the government staying out of those decisions, that those are personal decisions, and that some families to get around illegal abortions could decide to do something illegal.
So your proper analogy would have to start with you saying the government is against murder, that you think a family has to make that decision on their own, and that some families will decide to go ahead and murder.
This easily reads as a possible acceptance (encouragement?) on Cain's part for families to commit an illegal act of murder.
You can deny Cain's words all you want, Fantasy, but they are what they are in black and white there for everyone to read.
All along you've used adjectives like vile, hateful, and dishonest to describe me, but when I say you've simply sold out to your candidate despite his words, you get all huffy about mentioning you personally.
That's another reason I'm having trouble taking your logic seriously. You don't argue seriously.
The problem I have with Newt’s concept is this. There are few innocent people that deserve the benefit of the doubt.
In most cases the people he talks about wanting to be allowed to stay often:
Payed no payroll tax and filed tax returns yearly for thousands of dollars. Most worked gray area jobs like gardening and handyman construction without paying a dime of taxes.
They access the government for jobs and support (which is our tax dollars).
They most often don’t come here by themselves. They most often drag their pregnant wives and several children by different spouses along and then spend the treasure of our country on them in free education, health-care lots of EBT.
We have to stop the border crossings.
We need to ban access to all the EBT, welfare for them. OUR citizens first.
Why have grandma go without cancer treatment and then give some other people from another country 120k a year in education, EBT, section 8 housing and health care?
We are crazy to put up with this.
If I wanted slimes, smears and lies about conservatives, I’d go to DU. All your false claims about Cain have been rebutted [on FR] a hundred times, but you still make them. The stench is overwhelming. Cain is pro-life and anti-abortion. He has said so clearly and repeatedly. He has put a huge sum of his own $ into a pro-life/anti-abortion ad campaign. Yet you continue to slime him. It is sickening.
When all these lies (about Cain) first started propagating, I mistook you for a man of God. You have proven yourself instead to be a smear merchant. I don’t know how you live w yourself. I could not do it.
Again, why is it that those who complain of personal posts are the first to personally smear?
I have reported Cain’s words accurately. Your inability to refute the charges are why you resort to ad hominem attacks.
The best a pro-life conservative like I am can say about Cain is that he is squishy on life.
He is. His comments prove it. Even his protestations prove it.
He is not my first choice; and he should not be the first choice of any pro-life conservative....and that should be every conservative.
For Life is the ultimate right. Without life other rights and other issues will not matter.
You carry your partisanship on your sleeve, easy for all to see. You follow your messiah; I know only one Messiah. His approval is far more significant than that of some political candidate.
Let’s just cut to the chase. If Cain is pro-abortion, why has he not been deemed candidate non-grata on FR? I am unaware of the FR policy that allows for the advancement and promotion of pro-abortion candidates on this site. Have the views of the management changed?
If not, then why don’t you try making your (noxious) case to JR, and persuade *him* that Cain is pro-abortion? If you are so sure you’re right, that is the rational step. If your evidence is as honest and well documented as you’ve claimed, you should have no difficulty making the charge stick.
I will await the results.
Let’s just cut to the chase. If Cain is pro-abortion, why has he not been deemed candidate non-grata on FR? I am unaware of the FR policy that allows for the advancement and promotion of pro-abortion candidates on this site. Have the views of the management changed?
If not, then why don’t you try making your (noxious) case to JR, and persuade *him* that Cain is pro-abortion? If you are so sure you’re right, that is the rational step. If your evidence is as honest and well documented as you’ve claimed, you should have no difficulty making the charge stick.
I will await the results.
I have no problem with your taking this to Jim Robinson. Since it’s your suggestion, go for it.
I think he’ll agree that Herman Cain’s comments would give a real pro-lifer pause.
Cain is squishy on life. There. I said it for clear for you to report.
It is not that Cain is pro-abortion, but his initial comments to the media suggested quite strongly that he did not believe that the government should get involved in the "choice". This suggested to me and most of the pro-lifers who are active pro-lifers on this forum that Cain is squishy on the issue. If he does not believe the government should be involved in the "choice", then he is pro-choice.
While he has backpedaled on this issue, it tends to show that Cain is not all that committed to any position.
It is fairly clear that Cain has really not thought out all the positions he is taking. In other words, he is making it up as he goes along. He knows almost nothing about foreign policy and further, he has never "governed". Sure he was the CEO of a corporation, but that is more a dictatorial position than a position of governance.
When the smoke clears in this race it is going to be Romney, Gingrich and Perry at the finish line.
Cain, Bachmann and Santorum are the spoilers. I think Bachmann is currently vying for Romney's VP slot. But that honor will most likely go to Cain.
See post 370. Or post 371, if you prefer.
As for me, I have no issue w JR. I believe Cain is one-hundred percent solid pro-life, and I am delighted he considered a good conservative on FR.
You’ve been arguing otherwise. Take it to the top. Make your case where it matters, or else stop smearing Cain. It’s disgusting.
See, Fantasy, here is another pro-lifer who finds Cain’s stand on life to be squishy. Cain backpedaled so much on this issue that he was able to patent the reverse-a-cycle (As Seen on TV).
He refused to sign the SBA pledge until he was dragged kicking and screaming to the ink pen.
He made clear pro-choice comments to two newscasters.
He came up with the “kill-em-if-ya-gotta” position on illegal abortions....the weirdest position ever announced by anyone in all the years of Roe v Wade.
None of those things make pro-life conservatives very comfortable with Herman Cain.
See post 374.
You brought it up. If you want to make it an issue with Jim Robinson, then you go make it an issue.
As for me, I spoke with JR yesterday, and he affirmed that pro-life is the ultimate issue for himself and for any conservative.
So, go for it. Hit abuse. Ping him. Write him a missive. Just don’t ask me to do your homework for you on your own ideas.
Cain, Bachmann and Santorum are the spoilers. I think Bachmann is currently vying for Romney’s VP slot. But that honor will most likely go to Cain.
Romney will most likely look big-state governor. Two guesses and the first one doesn’t count.
See post 374.
“Donner party; your table is ready!”
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