Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

AP/Newser.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Genaro C. Armas

[Colofornian]

Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...

[TomB]

You are correct. I was basically condensing things as the AD was the claimed “legal authority” in question. I should have specifically stated it exactly as it really was. But the same still applies

I agree wholeheartedly.

It is also worth pointing out that after hearing the lurid details, and seeing that the university did nothing, Paterno still allowed Sandusky onto campus. He was there as late as last week

[foreverfree]

bump

[3catsanadog]

Guess what! It’s already started. There are some who are trying to push the psychiatric community to take pedophilia out of the DSM and call those perverts simply “minor attracted persons.”

[SunnyUsa]

good post... “the teacher” protests too much

[SunnyUsa]

apparently your ethics and moralities would've fell in line with what went on at Penn State - unfortunately now you probably can't get a job there because they've just had a big wake up call

[chessplayer]

I wonder how much the football team knew about this. I would think it would be difficult to keep secret from the team that Sandusky regularly raped children in the shower. If the players knew about it and didn’t care as long as they got major media attention, I hope Nebraska runs up the score on them and buries them. Humiliates them.

[Norm Lenhart]

We really shouldn’t be surprised with this whole mess. Start from the beginning and critically/logically go through all the steps.

Libs take over Psych board and delist homsexuality, proclaiming it to be normal/healthy when it has been a 2% deviance since the dawn of man and supressed for the majority of that time by the majority of cultures across the globe.

Libs then spend several decades desensitizing the other 98% of the world population to it while simultainously mainstreaming the practice.

Libs use all forms of media and social interaction to further desensitise people and normalize the practice.

Libs infiltrate religous institutions and do the same.

Libs make heros out of homosexuals through their media dominance and stigmatize/work to criminalize any who speak against it through PC and outright ‘hate’ laws.

Several generations have progressively been trained like pavlovian dogs to respond in the negative to anyone speaking out against a homosexual or homosexuality to great success.

Simultainously, pedophilia has been likewise mainstreamed in more subtle ways. Witness the earlier and earlier sexualization of children to the point where ‘fisting’ is a part of some grade school ciruclum and pre-teen girls are used as models for high fashion.

Recently Pedophile supporters gathered in DC to openly discuss mainstreaming and decriminalizing perobear and his pals.

And hwew we are today. A Pedo rapes a boy and rather than call it what it is, people, including some calling themselves conservative rally to the defense of those involved because that’s EXACTLY what they have been trained and conditioned to do.

Welcome to Amimal Farm. You, and I are not as equal as others. But if we switch teams, we’ll quickly join the elite and be lauded for our ‘bravery’ in abandoning our ‘outdated’ and ‘hater’ beliefs.

/rant.

[bjorn14]

I feel bad for the Seniors in a different way. They have to end their season playing Nebraska, @Wisconsin, @Ohio State and then possibly Michigan State if they make it out of that cauldron.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

"Nice to see that you've got your priorities straight."

Not a long post. Two paragraphs:

"I feel bad for the players, especially the seniors. This is not how they want their last season to end.
I know it does not begin to measure up to what those young boys went through, but it has to be tough on them just the same"

What part of that last sentence went over your head?

[bjorn14]

One mother did. Her son was acting up/out and went to the son’s school to find out what was happening. The son broke down and told the whole story. Principal said she should think long and hard about reporting it. She immediately notified the authorities.

[Norm Lenhart]

“Principal said she should think long and hard about reporting it. “

Another liberal POS. And people wonder what’s wrong with kids today. TV and rap music has nothing on the liberal indoctrination they get from public ‘education’. I mean, tith leadership like that molding young minds, what’s the worst that could happen really....

[Opinionated Blowhard]

Long thread filled with a lot of good posts and, of course, some of the typical knee-jerk posts (all stories lead to “homosexuals are destroying the world” type posts). This is a sad story that I’m not going to be too quick to make judgments on. A couple thoughts though:

1. I think McQueary’s conduct was a lot worse than the media is potraying. They make him sound like some young, innocent kid at the time who didn’t know what to do and who was intimidated by Paterno. The reality, by his own testimony, is that he walked and saw a young boy, naked, up against the wall being anally raped by Sandusky. McQueary was 28 years old when he saw it. Any 28 year old should have the sense to call the police immediately if he sees that. No going to Paterno, no waiting for the administration or running to daddy. He should have reported it himself immediately.

2. I’m going to wait to judge Paterno. He did something wrong, that is clear, but whether it was a bad lapse in judgment vs. a heinous moral failure remains to be seen. Keep the testimony in mind. Paterno says that McQueary did NOT go into detail with him on what he saw. That McQueary said something like he saw Sandusky do something “inappropriate”. The grand jury believed McQueary but I’m not going to take that as fact just yet until more comes out. At the time McQueary was a 28 year old assistant who Paterno didn’t know that well (or at least not as well as Sandusky). So if Paterno is right, you have this 28 year old coming to you accusing someone you’ve known for years of inappropriate conduct. If, and that’s a big “if,” Paterno’s account is right, I probably would have just gone to the administration too. Now as things played out, Paterno should have followed up and that is a lapse in judgment but I’m not going to damn Paterno for all time just yet. Let’s see where this ends up.

[bjorn14]

I heard former TX Tech coach Mike Leach was up for the Ole Miss job.

[Pharmboy]

I made that post you called me on with the (foolishly mistaken) understanding that those reading it would have seen my previous posts on this matter. Further, I did not explain enough of what I was thinking and what I meant; it is perfectly understandable to think I was out of line posting that. Allow me to explain.

Earlier in the day I had been trying to explain to Paterno's defenders what he must have known and what he had allowed. Further, in one post I had said that if I had a kid at PSU and saw him or her marching in support of JoePa I would have driven there and sat then down and straightened them out. By the time of the post in question, I was already convinced that he would not be on the sidelines Saturday. I was also convinced that he had all but destroyed the Penn State brand with his enabling behavior to a serial child rapist.

At this point, I was feeling sympathy for the good kids and alumni who had NO PART nor knowledge of these crimes and had worked hard at PSU and now they undoubtedly were going to be ashamed of putting PSU down on their job applications. That's what my post was about. My daughter is a U Mich grad of '10 and totally devoted to that school...she flies back now 1200 miles each way to still attend games. If this happened to her Big Ten school rather than the Big Ten school of two of her close friends, she would be devastated. Here are two of perhaps 15 of my earlier posts on the subject. You can look the others up:

To: Lancey Howard

Really? You don't think that the campus police or the State College police would not have made sure Joe knew in '98? Their thinking would have been: "If I withold this from Joe, it could be the end of me."
And Sandusky "retired" the next year, and you really think that Joe had NO IDEA that Sandusky was a pedophile?
Just no way. Sorry. Loyalty is a good thing, but allowing serial child rape should trump that feeling.

I get it though...you're not going to be convinced until you see a picture of Joe in boots and a raincoat watching Sandusky abusing a 10 y/o boy in a shower. 258 posted on Wed Nov 09 2011 13:44:50 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)

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To: JimmyMc

I'm no OSU fan, but what Hayes did does not approach allowing and abetting serial child rape as Paterno, his staff and the rest of the people who knew at that sorry State U in PA did.
What Hayes did was crazy but spur of the moment, but this involved collusion and calculation.

Get rid of Joe NOW if you want to begin saving any part of yourself, Penn State. I don't want to see that sanctimonious creep on my television screen anymore.

39 posted on Wed Nov 09 2011 10:07:38 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)

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[NonValueAdded]

Sorry, I was relying on the MSM reporting and didn’t realize there was homework to be had.

[Norm Lenhart]

“typical knee-jerk posts (all stories lead to “homosexuals are destroying the world” type posts).”

Please define and explain their benefit to A. The world at large through their sexual practices and B. This situation.
Homosexuality is at the very heart of this situation in case ya missed it.

[Opinionated Blowhard]

This is a story about Penn State firing Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is not a homosexual and I don’t think I’d classify him as part of any homosexual conspiracy.

[chessplayer]

“If, and that’s a big “if,” Paterno’s account is right, I probably would have just gone to the administration too.”

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Hmmm, Paterno WAS the administration. The president, the trustees were just figure heads. Paterno ran that school. He told them to jump,,,they said yessir,,,how high? Thats the kind of power he had.

[Colofornian]

I’m not saying Paterno is blameless, but in the end he’s incidental. Curley, Shultz, and university cops share the bulk of the blame for enabling Sandusky because alot of Sandusky’s actions were going on outside of Paterno’s circle of influence. It wasn’t like Paterno was the gatekeeper here - Curley and Shultz were.

Well you know, this "bottom line" of yours sums it up nicely: Paterno wasn't "blameless." Which was why he was fired.

You & Penn State supporters can go round & round which your % pie graphs of who deserved more blame than Paterno; but you won't ever be able to extract blame from Paterno.

I mentioned fairly early on this thread: Silence IS a cover-up. You don’t have to “prove” the negative (the silence). The silence itself is the cover of darkness. You can see the light through the darkness — and there was no light within the Penn State staff who knew what went on.

In this way, then, as this rolled along...at some point at least, it involved into a conspiracy of silence. I don't know if that was the intent from the beginning. We don't have enough info on that. But at some point, it evolved into that. The conspiracy WAS the darkness; and they would let no light to emit on the matter.

So your comment that In your mind it was cover up because Paterno waited 24 hours is only a very minor indicator. The 24-hour wait paled in comparison to the near-decade long silence of McQueary and his direct supervisor, Joe Paterno. And by "silence" I mean ANYBODY off-campus who would do any good in getting Sandusky off the campuses for good.

All your other points about "employers having policies" and "you have no right to follow up" either apply to the short run and shut out the ethics of opposing someone who rapes boys...or become absolutely ludicrous when you start substituting just about any other felony.

I mean if someone told you they saw a murder & body disposal on campus and you told your superior, are you truly "done" with the thing? No need to "follow up" because employers have taken from you the right to "follow up"...as the weeks, months, and years go by...as you wonder why the detectives have yet to talk to your underling or you about the murder???

In this vein, your arguments become quite silly.

[NewinTexsas]

Where I’ve worked I’ve been specifically instructed NOT to call the police but report it to my boss - or lose my job.

Read the PA law statutess on this. PA law specifically gives anyone the right to make a call to police regardless of other actions taken.

Do you really believe that Joe would have been at risk of being fired for calling? Ooops. Joe has been for NOT calling.