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To: Havisham; Hoodat; All
I made that post you called me on with the (foolishly mistaken) understanding that those reading it would have seen my previous posts on this matter. Further, I did not explain enough of what I was thinking and what I meant; it is perfectly understandable to think I was out of line posting that. Allow me to explain.

Earlier in the day I had been trying to explain to Paterno's defenders what he must have known and what he had allowed. Further, in one post I had said that if I had a kid at PSU and saw him or her marching in support of JoePa I would have driven there and sat then down and straightened them out. By the time of the post in question, I was already convinced that he would not be on the sidelines Saturday. I was also convinced that he had all but destroyed the Penn State brand with his enabling behavior to a serial child rapist.

At this point, I was feeling sympathy for the good kids and alumni who had NO PART nor knowledge of these crimes and had worked hard at PSU and now they undoubtedly were going to be ashamed of putting PSU down on their job applications. That's what my post was about. My daughter is a U Mich grad of '10 and totally devoted to that school...she flies back now 1200 miles each way to still attend games. If this happened to her Big Ten school rather than the Big Ten school of two of her close friends, she would be devastated. Here are two of perhaps 15 of my earlier posts on the subject. You can look the others up:

To: Lancey Howard

Really? You don't think that the campus police or the State College police would not have made sure Joe knew in '98? Their thinking would have been: "If I withold this from Joe, it could be the end of me."
And Sandusky "retired" the next year, and you really think that Joe had NO IDEA that Sandusky was a pedophile?
Just no way. Sorry. Loyalty is a good thing, but allowing serial child rape should trump that feeling.

I get it though...you're not going to be convinced until you see a picture of Joe in boots and a raincoat watching Sandusky abusing a 10 y/o boy in a shower. 258 posted on Wed Nov 09 2011 13:44:50 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)

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To: JimmyMc

I'm no OSU fan, but what Hayes did does not approach allowing and abetting serial child rape as Paterno, his staff and the rest of the people who knew at that sorry State U in PA did.
What Hayes did was crazy but spur of the moment, but this involved collusion and calculation.

Get rid of Joe NOW if you want to begin saving any part of yourself, Penn State. I don't want to see that sanctimonious creep on my television screen anymore.

39 posted on Wed Nov 09 2011 10:07:38 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)

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614 posted on 11/10/2011 5:47:08 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Pharmboy

Your mom loves UMichigan. Your sympathy is with the innocent students? You are so mushy you don’t even see your FEELINGS ARE NOT RELEVANT to this issue or on this forum.They aren’t kids and you have no discernment.


787 posted on 11/10/2011 5:57:09 PM PST by Havisham
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To: Pharmboy

Your mom loves UMichigan. Your sympathy is with the innocent students? You are so mushy you don’t even see your FEELINGS ARE NOT RELEVANT to this issue or on this forum.They aren’t kids and you have no discernment.


788 posted on 11/10/2011 6:00:16 PM PST by Havisham
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To: Pharmboy; All

Your mom loves UMichigan. Your sympathy is with the innocent students? You are so mushy you don’t even see your FEELINGS ARE NOT RELEVANT to this issue or on this forum.They aren’t kids and you have no discernment.


789 posted on 11/10/2011 6:01:47 PM PST by Havisham
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