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Too Fast, Too Furious
The Dartmouth ^ | NA | NA

Posted on 11/04/2011 11:27:46 AM PDT by neverdem

On the night of Dec. 14, 2010, Agent Brian Terry of the U.S. Border Patrol was conducting an operation in the desert near Nogales, Ariz. with three members of his team when they came upon a group of five suspected illegal aliens armed with AK 47 variants. Tragically, in the resulting firefight, Terry was fatally wounded. As he lay there bleeding out in the cold winter air of the high desert, Brian Terry looked at his friend and fellow agent and confided, "I can't feel my legs." Those were the last words he uttered. Two of the three rifles recovered from the encounter were traced to an ill conceived operation conducted by the U.S. Justice Department known as Fast and Furious. The Justice Department, with support from President Barack Obama, has consistently tried to cover up the details of Fast and Furious in a stark divergence from the clear and transparent government on which the president campaigned.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; brianterry; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; obama; statedept; terry
Is there hope for the Ivy League yet? I found the URL, but I can't open it. Could someone help?

http://thedartmouth.com/2011/11/03/opinion/brooks

1 posted on 11/04/2011 11:27:50 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...
Ivy League weighs in? Oh my! Ping.


JUST DO IT!

2 posted on 11/04/2011 11:32:32 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem

It opened fine for me.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 11:33:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem
How did an operation involving cooperation from five different federal agencies under three different federal departments escape the attention of the heads of those agencies and Obama? The lack of concern shown by Obama about an operation that could severely strain U.S. – Mexico relations and hamper U.S. foreign policy strains credulity. However, the biggest question remains — how was this operation supposed to work anyway? I have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to how the failure to track purchased weapons until they end up at their very predictable crime scenes would reveal any new information about weapons trafficking.

The system was setup to show that American guns were being used in Mexico drug gangs in a bid to foster new gun laws. This is treason against the Constitution of the United States, an act of war against Mexico, and hundreds of counts of accessory to murder.

I am sure under the Obama Administration banner, NOBODY will ever serve time for these crimes. Just retire with a golden parachute. It's a Mafia thing...

4 posted on 11/04/2011 11:35:03 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: MestaMachine
It opened fine for me.

I tried multiple times. I'm afraid that it won't work for my ancient browser. Could you post it? Add me to the Fast & Furious list too, please?

5 posted on 11/04/2011 11:39:43 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: American in Israel
Amen. The problem is that the Pubbie Establishment will use this outrageous scandal up until the election; if they win a majority in Congress, we will never hear the rest of it. What is needed is a pledge from all Pubbies in Congress and POTUS candidates that any crimes committed by the commie...I mean Demonrat administration will be pursued to the ends of the earth, until everyone involved is utterly destroyed. Turn the FBI and every other weapon of state loose on them. This is war, and the survival of the Republic depends on the outcome.

Forget this BS about Holder needing to resign. He needs to do hard time in prison, as do Baraq, Billie Ayers, Rahm Emanuel, and the rest.

6 posted on 11/04/2011 11:44:53 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: neverdem
I have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to how the failure to track purchased weapons until they end up at their very predictable crime scenes would reveal any new information about weapons trafficking.

The whole program was designed to support the erroneous claim that 90% of the illegal weapons into mexico were from the US and fuel demands for more gun control on this side of the border. A position fostered by this administration and an example of zero's strategy of operating below the radar to push the agenda of the gun grabbers

7 posted on 11/04/2011 11:54:17 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

http://thedartmouth.com/2011/11/03/opinion/brooks

Brooks: Too Fast, Too Furious
By David Brooks, Contributing Columnist

Published on Thursday, November 3, 2011

On the night of Dec. 14, 2011, Agent Brian Terry of the U.S. Border Patrol was conducting an operation in the desert near Nogales, Ariz. with three members of his team when they came upon a group of five suspected illegal aliens armed with AK-47 variants. Tragically, in the resulting firefight, Terry was fatally wounded. As he lay there bleeding out in the cold winter air of the high desert, Brian Terry looked at his friend and fellow agent and confided, “I can’t feel my legs.” Those were the last words he uttered. Two of the three rifles recovered from the encounter were traced to an ill-conceived operation conducted by the U.S. Justice Department known as Fast and Furious. The Justice Department, with support from President Barack Obama, has consistently tried to cover up the details of Fast and Furious in a stark divergence from the clear and transparent government on which the president campaigned.

In the fall of 2009, the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, with authorization from the Justice Department and the cooperation of several other agencies, began Operation Fast and Furious with the goal of uncovering the nexus of guns shipped into Mexico. During the operation, ATF agents were under strict orders not to interfere with gun buyers, instead allowing guns to transfer into the black market and Mexico. This resulted in highly sophisticated guns, including high-powered sniper and assault rifles, being sold to criminals on both sides of the border. During Fast and Furious, over 2,000 of these weapons made their way to the Mexican cartels, enough to outfit almost two Marine Corps infantry battalions.

ATF field agents strongly objected to the practice, but were told to “get with the program” by their superiors. As guns began to turn up at crime scenes, Fast and Furious supervisors responded to this with “giddy optimism.” However, the level of violence soon began to get out of hand. March 2010 was the most violent month in Mexico since 2005, with 958 people killed and 359 firearms purchased.

Fast and Furious was clearly fueling a drug war in Mexico so ubiquitous and so violent that it threatened to topple the government. Between November 2009 and February 2011, 122 weapons were recovered from 48 different crime scenes. Guns transferred during Fast and Furious were used in the murders of Terry and a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, the high profile kidnapping, torture and murder of a Mexican attorney and an engagement with the Mexican military resulting in an emergency landing of a helicopter. Of the estimated 2,500 guns funneled into Mexico, only about 700 have been recovered.

For all of this, Fast and Furious produced only 20 indictments related to the relatively minor charge of submitting false information on the required paperwork to purchase a firearm — not the more serious charges of weapons trafficking.

In the ensuing investigation, the Justice Department sought to shield internal documents from Congress. At a Congressional hearing, Attorney General Eric Holder claimed that he had “probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” but documents were later uncovered that showed Holder was sent briefings on Fast and Furious months earlier. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claimed that she has never spoken with Holder about Fast and Furious despite admitting that at least twice her ICE agents had been asked to stand down to allow ATF to facilitate trafficking across the border.

How did an operation involving cooperation from five different federal agencies under three different federal departments escape the attention of the heads of those agencies and Obama? The lack of concern shown by Obama about an operation that could severely strain U.S. – Mexico relations and hamper U.S. foreign policy strains credulity. However, the biggest question remains — how was this operation supposed to work anyway? I have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to how the failure to track purchased weapons until they end up at their very predictable crime scenes would reveal any new information about weapons trafficking.

Obama had promised that his administration would represent transparency in stark contrast to the previous administration. Unfortunately, this has not been the case. And the questions remain — questions that the Border Patrol agents who served alongside Brian Terry, his family and the Mexican and American people deserve to have answered.


8 posted on 11/04/2011 12:06:41 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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9 posted on 11/04/2011 12:07:54 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: MestaMachine
Thank you very much!

It's just too bad that someone needs an Ivy League acceptance and tuition for some honest journalism.

Check this David Brooks. Are they the same person?

Watch out for flying pigs.

10 posted on 11/04/2011 12:34:21 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Guess its “established fact” when the Ivy League weighs in !

Seriously, the “more the merrier” IMNSHO ! OF&F isn’t so much about “who” as it is about “how” ? !! IOW, how did so many in such strategic positions, in so many law-enforcement Departments come to accept/endorse violations if U.S. law as a “matter of doing our business” ? !!!

IMNSHO, what this debacle reveals is a long and sordid history of government bureaucrats “manipulating the system” for their personal aggrandizement and, (Perhaps to accomplish an agenda of persons/orgs offering them even greater “powers” in the new regime ?).

For every ballyhooed Ruby Ridge or Waco, there’s thousands of BATF prosecutions of innocents or “meas rens” individuals over the past six decades ! “Fender washers” are part and parcle of car restoration - until you happen to also be a BATF-targeted “gun nut”; at which point they become “silencer parts” ! And that’s just one prosecuted example ! Or “paper clips/shoe strings/match sticks being declared “machine guns” ? !!! Or how about malfunctions of semi-auto arms resulting in multiple discarges ? (Almost anyone in the gun culture has their own story of this sort of malfunction !) Its even enshrined in Robert Ruark’s writings !

The “key” is our own government - while prosecuting citizens for inadvertent/unintentional violations of U.S. law is also violating those same laws for political purposes ! >PS


11 posted on 11/04/2011 3:55:37 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: hellbender
Forget this BS about Holder needing to resign. He needs to do hard time in prison,

Sorry, Holder was 'waging war' against the US Constitution, specifically the Second Amendment thereof. Waging war on that document, which is *the* basic contract between governing, and governed, is essentially 'waging war on the United States' in accordance with the main body of said Constitution. That is *TREASON*, and the only appropriate sentence for that crime doesn't involve hard prison time, it involves a hypodermic needle.

Pre Heller, he and his clown posse at the ATF, et al, might have legally gotten away with it, under the muddiness of Miller. Post Heller, it is literally using armed force to nullify the Constitution, and thus, treason. Treason is punishable by death, as is murder committed by criminal enterprises doing criminal things under the RICO Act.

I would only be willing to consider sparing this TRAITOR the fullest penalty the Constitution provides for Treason if he testifies truthfully as to whether or not his waging of war on the Bill of Rights was directed by his principal, Baraq Hussein Obama...

the infowarrior

12 posted on 11/04/2011 10:20:33 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: American in Israel; paul51
how was this operation supposed to work anyway?

THIS is the salient question that has yet to be asked.

It is the equivalent of "What did he know and when did he know it?"

13 posted on 11/05/2011 4:32:24 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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Thanks neverdem.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 4:27:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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